That's the "Peter Principle."
Dan
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2
They were - out of things to do, that is.
Wilton
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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 4:37 PM
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> For sure. I can recall getting wa
, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 8:22 AM
That sounds like a normal landing at Washington National on
an Eastern Shuttle.
as if they were out of things to
do
Dan
--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 8
That sounds like a normal landing at Washington National on an Eastern
Shuttle.
--R
Peter Frederick wrote:
There is a point where aircraft will no longer stay in the air -- I
was in a 727 that got caught in a wind shear once.
NOT fun, it felt just exactly like someone let go of a rope holdin
There is a point where aircraft will no longer stay in the air -- I
was in a 727 that got caught in a wind shear once.
NOT fun, it felt just exactly like someone let go of a rope holding
us up. Luckily, we were close enough to the ground and the pilot had
enough throttle on to firewall it
"Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> You can't fix stupid.
Or maybe an example of "people are promoted to their level of
incompetence"
Allan
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You can't fix stupid.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:07:50 -0500 "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I think he was in serious trouble before coming anywhere near the power
> > lines!
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_L
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:07:50 -0500 "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think he was in serious trouble before coming anywhere near the power
> lines!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_L5MEHVnQ0&feature=related
He most certainly was. Wing was completely vertical and the nose was
heading for th
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After it was in the turn, 'couldn't help it - left wing stalled, etc.
>
> Wilton
>
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> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Sent: Monday, Dec
After it was in the turn, 'couldn't help it - left wing stalled, etc.
Wilton
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From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuf
me, etc.
Wilton
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From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
Wilton Strickland wrote:
Right. This guy was noted for bei
ying the
> airplane, 'don't remember the others; 'think they were all staff weenies.
> Supposedly, others wouldn't fly with 'im.
>
> Wilton
>
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> From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes
quot;Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
> Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > Right. This guy was noted for being bold/reckless. 'Think they were
all
> > LtCol&
Wilton Strickland wrote:
Right. This guy was noted for being bold/reckless. 'Think they were all
LtCol's aboard, Bomb Sqdn CO, sqdn operations officer (sqdn #2) flying the
airplane, 'don't remember the others; 'think they were all staff weenies.
Supposedly, others wouldn't fly with 'im.
So t
im.
Wilton
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From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
> Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > 'Doomed long before the power
Wilton Strickland wrote:
'Doomed long before the power line.
How's the saying go?
The are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old, bold pilots?
Mitch.
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'Doomed long before the power line.
Wilton
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Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 2:32 PM
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> Yea, big trouble when he w
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Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:07 PM
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> I think he was in serious trouble before coming anywhere near the power
> lines!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_L5MEHVnQ0&feature=related
>
> Ed
> 300E
'Had reputation for recklessness.
Wilton
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Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:51 PM
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> yes, there are a number of videos of th
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
>
>
> > > Nickname for B-52 started by maintenance guys on Guam during
> > > Vietnam War as Big Ugly Fat Fr; since &q
; From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
>
>
> > > Nickname for B-52 started by maintenance guys on Guam during
> > > Vietnam
ink it's on youtube.
>
> Wilton
>
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> From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
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>
> > >
From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:46 AM
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> > Nickname for B-52 started by maintenance guys on Guam during
> > Vietnam War as Big Ugly Fat F
Nickname for B-52 started by maintenance guys on Guam during
Vietnam War as Big Ugly Fat Fr; since "sanitized"...
I've no doubt that it was a 'backronym', where the B-Fifty-Two
pronunciation inspired the BUFF, along with its tremendous size.
They used to fly them out of Spokane, this was a
ugh - that's another matter.
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From: "Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'"
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
> And I still think a thread about
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:20 PM
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On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:59:51 -0500 "Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... the one about dong it in the BUFF [what
You are but one word off.
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:59:51 -0500 "Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > ... the one about dong it in the BUFF [whatever that is].
>
> Big Ugly Fat Fellow, a nickname for the B-52.
>
>
> Crai
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:59:51 -0500 "Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... the one about dong it in the BUFF [whatever that is].
Big Ugly Fat Fellow, a nickname for the B-52.
Craig
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nt: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:44 PM
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Yes,I think they're 28000 and 29000.
Wilton
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Sunday, Dec
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> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 11:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
>
>
> > Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > > Yes, that's what I mean - TWO of 'em, and AF One is whichever one has
> POTUS
Yes,I think they're 28000 and 29000.
Wilton
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From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
> Wilton Strickland wrote:
&g
Wilton Strickland wrote:
Yes, that's what I mean - TWO of 'em, and AF One is whichever one has POTUS
aboard.
Are the N numbers still 28000 and 29000?
I usually give 29000 as my number when I'm buying 100LL for my chain saw and the
point of sale terminal wants my registration number.
Mitch.
And they wonder why we are going broke. But that is a discussion for
banned lite.
Wilton Strickland wrote:
'Think they're using C-17's to haul the POTUS vehicle fleet (yea, a fleet)
now, aren't they? I was shocked to learn recently that they fly not just
ONE presidential 747 on his every trip
The way this post is worded it sounds like your brother was doing the
flying?
Wonko the Sane wrote:
My baby brother has logged way more hours than he wishes he had doing that
very thing. They haul the limo(s), their Suburbans, and all of their
gear/weapons/stuff. He once told me (I think during
t; Wilton
>
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> From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
>
>
> > My understanding (from an
Yes, that's what I mean - TWO of 'em, and AF One is whichever one has POTUS
aboard.
Wilton
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From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:05 PM
Subject: Re:
My understanding (from an acquaintance who was one of the Air Force One
pilots, unfortunately cursed with the rank & last name of Major Dick when I
knew him back in the early 80s) is that they fly (or at the time flew) the
"real" Air Force One and also a decoy plane.
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 9:55 PM
presidential 747 on his every trip abroad, but TWO, and probably 2 or 3
> C-17's.
>
> Wilton
>
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> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1
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Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:31 PM
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> My baby brother has logged way more hours than he wishes he had doing that
> very thing. They haul the
My baby brother has logged way more hours than he wishes he had doing that
very thing. They haul the limo(s), their Suburbans, and all of their
gear/weapons/stuff. He once told me (I think during the Clinton years) that
if he had to go to Moscow one more time, he was going to puke.
What surprised
, all over
the world.
Wilton
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From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
> Shame you weren't flying a C5!
>
&g
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> From: "Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'"
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
>
>
> > Wilton, you do realize that for some
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:50 PM
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> The deal was, the customs official got to drive the Z every other weekend,
> right? ;-) lol
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> 2008/12/6 Wilton
THE GENERAL’S PREDICTION FOR AGING FLEET by Wilton Strickland
Sometime in 1964, I was in a briefing with Gen. Thomas Power, Strategic Air
Command (SAC) Commander. The General was talking to the assembled bomber
and KC-135 tanker crewmen in the Robins Air Force Base, GA, alert facility a
few
. ;<)))
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'"
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
>
>
> >
there. Customs official met us at Wichita, and everything
was properly declared, of course. ;<)))
Wilton
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Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [
n "good" CG.
Wilton
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From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:24 PM
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> I've read that it's really the cycles that age
, 2008 3:56 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
'Planning to use the remaining H models on into the 2040's.
BTW, that large open area in the BUFF aft fuselage wasn't really meant to
haul cargo (no proper floor), but it could hold a bunch. Acce
" with only 15,000 or so flying hours.
>
> Wilton
>
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> From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:48 PM
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>
&g
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>
>
> > The skin on the BUFF is a major structural part of the fuselage. The
> later
> > (G and H) models h
ou see on
>> the
>> ground photos are not there in flight.
>>
>> Wilton
>>
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>&g
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From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
> Ah, thanks Wilton. Yes, most pictures I have are of the plane on the
> ground. I guess it really was d
ist"
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
One thing that always amazes me about the BUFF, from most of the pictures
I've seen of them, is the amount of wrinkles in the skin!! Some pics I
have, the skin has so deep waves, hard to beli
ou see on
> the
> ground photos are not there in flight.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUF
"Shorter tail" - vertical stabilizer shorter by 7 feet than earlier models.
Wilton
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To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'"
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O
the
ground photos are not there in flight.
Wilton
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
> One thing that always amazes me about the
techniques, particularly for aerial refueling.
Scott
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On Behalf Of E M
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 16:09
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - BUFF stuff for Ed
One thing that always amazes me about the BUFF
belly sorta small - maybe 3 feet by 3 feet or less.
>
> Wilton
>
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From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 3:47 PM
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> Great story Wilton! The BUFF really is the evergreen bomber, and a pretty
> good cargo pla
Great story Wilton! The BUFF really is the evergreen bomber, and a pretty
good cargo plane too from the sounds of it.
I have a site bookmarked that features pictures submitted by members of
various planes. Lots of pics of BUFFs on there too. Always sad to see one
being parted out, or scrapped.
MOVING IN THE BUFF by Wilton Strickland
Several weeks after I arrived here at Seymour Johnson AFB, NC, I learned
that one of our crews was going to deliver a B-52G from our unit to Edwards
AFB, CA, for a test crew there to fly a couple of times with ALCM’s (Air
Launched Cruise Missiles) during
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