Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Little tid bit of legal history.. The "Posse Comitatus" law came in to law about 1868 to stop Federal troops from further actions against Southern civilians as part of the Reparations following the Civil War. At that time, and during the time of McArthur / Eisenhower / bonus camp event, the use o

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Tin man asked : >‎How do you do that? - order troops to >open fire on the veterans in DC? The same way it will be done next time. (for social security, ssdi, food stamps, adc, pick one, they are all broke). And before anyone says "I paid for my social security", it was ruled in 1960 by the Supr

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Wasn't WWII, it was the early Thirties, during the depths of the depression. WWI vets had been given a "bonus" payment for service that was supposed to be paid at retirement age, and they marched on Washington to ask the Feds to pay it immediately, due to the economic conditions. They camped o

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
We would have dropped the Fat Boy instead, there were at least a dozen more in the pipeline. I suspect the only difference would have been a few weeks or months before another one was dropped. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
It appears it was a crime for the president to even ask those bastards to get rid of the Bonus Army, and a crime for every officer and soldier involved to take up arms on US soil, and capital murder for what transpired in the end. https://www.thoughtco.com/the-posse-comitatus-act-of-1878-721707

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Bonus Army. WWI vets who were owned bonuses for their service not payable until 1945. Bring in the Depression and mass unemployment and the veterans and their families marched on Washington and set up an encampment where they demanded that Congress award them their bonuses. Hoover ordered the

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Peter wrote: > If you haven't caught on yet, I have no respect at all for McArthur -- the > only reason he was in the Phillipines at all was because he'd ordered troops > to open fire on the veterans in DC. How do you do that? - order troops to open fire on the veterans in DC? Sounds like more W

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Andy sez: (possibly trollingly) >How would history have been altered >had the Indianapolis been hit en route >to delivering the key nuclear parts rather >than after? 88%.‎ Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/ar

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
How would history have been altered had the Indianapolis been hit en route to delivering the key nuclear parts rather than after? On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > On August 20, 2017 at 11:36 AM Peter Frederick via Mercedes < > mercede

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On August 20, 2017 at 11:36 AM Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > the only reason he was in the Phillipines at all was because he'd ordered > troops to open fire on the veterans in DC. It appears it was a crime for the president to even ask those bastards to get rid of the Bonus Army,

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Here is an article about it too, it mentions a movie that I guess is what I saw, Men of Courage http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/20/indianapolis-wreckage-found-paul-allen/ -R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/arch

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Yes thats it. Incredible find. 18000 feet is massively deep. I think they are using untethered ROVs judging from the video. On Aug 20, 2017 10:18 AM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" wrote: > > > On August 20, 2017 at 12:37 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > 1

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On August 20, 2017 at 12:37 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > wrote: > > > 18000 ft seems too deep. I thought paul allen's tweet said 5500. Maybe Paul knows the metric system? 5500M = 18045' Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives htt

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
18000 ft seems too deep. I thought paul allen's tweet said 5500. On Aug 20, 2017 6:35 AM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes" wrote: > 18,000 feet down on the floor of the Pacific. > > http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Researchers- > find-wreckage-of-lost-WWII-warship-11944819.php > > > -- > Ma

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
I believe the confusion stemmed from the continuing argument between McArthur and Nimitz as to who was in charge of the Navy in the Western Pacific. Ships tended to get dispatched by the Supreme Command, bypassing the normal channels in the Navy, and the Indianapolis was an example -- the appro

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I remember that part but there was more to it I was thinking, or maybe I misremember. In any case, a massively sad event so close to the end of the war. --R On 8/20/17 11:17 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: The Indianapolis delivered parts for the first atomic bombs. As a result of this, th

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
The Indianapolis delivered parts for the first atomic bombs. As a result of this, their itinerary was considered secret and not shared with any other Navy assets. This included their return trip, which they were on when torpedoed by a Japanese submarine. Because the only information generally

Re: [MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I think I saw something on TV about the USS Indianapolis event a few months ago, or maybe some documentary on the Flix or something. Seems like I recall a massive messup due to radio silence or something, and HQ not wanting to dispatch search and recovery assets to the location. --R On 8/20

[MBZ] OT wreckage of USS Indianapolis found

2017-08-20 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
18,000 feet down on the floor of the Pacific. http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Researchers-find-wreckage-of-lost-WWII-warship-11944819.php -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://w