I just stopped by Sams Club & priced soy oil.
$15.78 - 35# soy oil
This comes to 5.8 gallons, based on my unscientific bathroom scale.
At 5.8 gallons, 35#'s works out to $2.70 / gallon.
Plus 8% local sales tax = $2.92 / gallon.
Diesel is running around $3.50 / gallon around here
At 7.6 lb./gal, how can 35 lbs. of soy oil = 5.8 gal.? I thought it 4.6
gal.
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Specific gravity of soy oil = ~0.92. Weight of water = ~8.34 lbs./gal. @ 62
degrees F. .92 X 8.34lbs/gal = ~7.67lbs/gal. = wt. of soy oil.
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'Saw soy oil today at Sam's for $6.74/gal. in 35 lb. jug!!
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Just saw soy oil @ $31 for 35 lb jug - $6.74/gal! #2 @ $4.30/gal.
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Just fine.
Don't do this in cold weather, it can wax out on you!
It will also grow bugs, unlike regular diesel, so toss in some RedLine.
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another issue is that the oil will act as a solvent, so if you have a dirty
fuel tank, you will throw it throughout the fuel system and get stuck in the
middle of the road while taking your mother to the airport.
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The voice of experience?
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another issue is that
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> another
Hi,
I can put exacty 5.0 gallons of K1 into my waste soy cubes.
How do you get 5.8??
Ed In Chicago
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another issue is that the oil will act as a solvent, so if you have a dirty
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Hi,
I can put exacty 5.0 gallons of K1 into my waste soy cubes.
How do you get 5.8??
Ed In Chicago
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: [MBZ] Soy oil
At 7.6 lb./gal, how can 35 lbs. of soy oil = 5.8 gal.? I thought it 4.6
gal.
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I run 50/50 waste canola oil and diesel all winter in Cleveland, Ohio.
It's good to at least -5F. The 87SDL ran 100% WVO all summer with no
mods to the car whatsoever.
-Dave Walton
On 11/11/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just stopped by Sams Club & priced soy oil.
>
>
>
> $15.78
wilton strickland wrote:
>
> Specific gravity of soy oil = ~0.92. Weight of water = ~8.34 lbs./gal. @ 62
> degrees F. .92 X 8.34lbs/gal = ~7.67lbs/gal. = wt. of soy oil.
Makes sense, as I was pretty sure a 35lb tote was less than 5 gallons.
Mitch.
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>
> At 7.6 lb./gal, how can 35 lbs. of soy oil = 5.8 gal.? I thought it 4.6
> gal.
>
> Wilton
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It'll run fine, or so your ear will think. I don't recommend running any mix
of vegetable oil in a diesel. There are no long term studies (100,000mi or
more) that give veg oil a green light. All the studies have shown injector
coking and buildup on the rings and prechambers. There is a good
Meanwhile, the rest of us are paying at least $3 less per gallon of fuel.
My 94S350 has over 50,000mi on 100% WVO in the summer and thinned WVO
in the winter.
Wait another few years and I'll have one "100,000mi or more" statistic for you.
-Dave Walton
On 11/12/07, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
On Nov 11, 2007 3:14 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> obviously.
>
> and i had spare fuel filters but nowhere was there a screwdriver to be
> found. had to get towed to the nearest ace hardware to buy a basic philips
> screwdriver
>
And not only did you not have a tool kit in the car,
l reactor. The fermenter already has a dump valve & ports
that I can use to install a heater, etc.
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The only way to tell is try. Methanol is fairly safe, but when you add lye
into it. Biodiesel is also hard on some plastics. Do you need a sample to
soak a piece in??
Luther
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> Does anyone know if the chemicals u
A sample would be great.
Tom
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The only way to tell is try. Methanol is fairly safe, but when you a
Luther wrote:
> The only way to tell is try. Methanol is fairly safe, but when you
> add
> lye into it. Biodiesel is also hard on some plastics. Do you
> need
> a sample to soak a piece in??
I don't think plastics are generally affected by lye, at least not
HDPE. They sell Drain-O
erting one
> into a biodiesel reactor. The fermenter already has a dump valve & ports
> that I can use to install a heater, etc.
>
> Thanks, Tom
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> Original Message
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They are made of HDPE. Now I just need to find a "free" veggi oil
source.
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So, are you using just sodium hydroxide to extract the glycerin from
the oil, or does it convert directly to soap? Guess I need to brush up
on my chemistry!
I've heard that you can use ethanol and potassium hydroxide instead of
methanol and sodium hydroxide. I think the cost goes up a bit, but the
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So, are you using just sodium hydroxide to extract the glycerin from
the oil, or does it convert directly to soap? Guess I need to brush up
on my chemistry!
I've heard that you can use ethanol and potassium hydroxide instead of
methanol and sodi
Sodium hydroxide (lye same as I use to make soap) and methanol = methoxide.
Titrate the oil to get formula. Water in the WVO will react with the lye to
saponify into soap rather than to separate glycerine. Product has to be
washed anyway to yield a purer biodiesel. (Making soap, I'm mixing water
w
"Dr. Dan" on the Biodiesel list is the one promoting it. Sounds
reasonable, but I don't have the details. I guess the trick is that
the ethanol needs to be anhydrous ---
On Nov 12, 2007 9:45 PM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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ium hydroxide method since I'm a
> brewer anyway.
>
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So, are you using just sodium hydroxide to extract the glycerin from
the oil, or does it convert directly to soap? Guess I need to brush up
on my chemistry!
I've heard that you can use ethanol and potassium hydroxide inste
Looks like red dye, maybe some algaecide to keep the oil from gunking up?
--R
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> Another snake oil?
>
> http://www.dieselsecret.com/
>
>
> T
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"Dr. Dan" on the Biodiesel list is the one promoting it. Sounds
reasonable, but I don't have the details. I guess the trick is that
the ethanol needs to be anhydrous ---
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>
> http://www.dieselsecret.com/
YES! STAY AWAY!
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> "Dr. Dan" on the Biodiesel list is the one promo
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> http://www.dieselsecret.com/
YES! STAY AWAY!
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> I'm curious about the ethanol and potassium hydroxide method since I'm a
> brewer anyway.
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> On Behalf Of OK Don
> So, are you using just sodium hydroxide to extract the glycerin from
> the oil, or does it convert directly to soap? Guess I need to brush up
> on my chemist
I remember the song. A guy we called "Scotch Dave" used to always sing that
one at the bistro... hm. It usually resulted in his being "cut off," but
that's another story.
I tend to add color and fragrance to the soaps. My favorite is a pine/spruce
thing I mix up. I have made a "pine tar" soap. Sev
Now, pine tar is something that I have a surplus of ---
> I have made a "pine tar" soap. Several years ago I sent a
> few bars to an old great aunt thinking she would reminisce. The soap hadn't
> aged so the bars were still a little soft. Poor old Aunt Gladys thought it
> was fudge and tried to ea
t;
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil
Sodium hydroxide (lye same as I use to make soap) and methanol = methoxide.
Titrate the oil to get formula. Water in the WVO will react with the lye to
saponify into soap rather than to separate gl
I had an SDL that luther now has that was blown up by the stuff
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"archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Do you remember Grandma's Lye Soap,
> Good for everything in the home,
> And the secret was in the scrubbing,
> It wouldn't suds, and wouldn't foam..
Sounds like it would be good for a HE washing machine. They don't
like sudsy detergent.
--
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HDPE isn't affected, but other plastics can be. I don't know if Tom's plastic
is HDPE or not...
Luther
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> Luther wrote:
>
>> The only way to tell is try. Methanol is fairly safe, but when you
>> add
>> lye into it
> From: ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: 11/12/07 08:52 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
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> hi Tom!
>
> i may have missed it, but i don't see where it says what those
> fermenters are
NaOH will produce a soap that is more solid than KOH in the biodiesel reaction.
KOH is more forgiving if there is water in the oil or methanol/ethanol.
HDPE becomes fuel in the event of a fire...then the contents do the same
Need I say more?
Luther
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:37:14 -0600, Tim
The valves are nickel plated brass.
Tom
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Is the metal stainless or aluminum?
Luther
On Mon, 12 Nov 2
BT, WRONG! Methoxide is different. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methoxide
Our substance is actually sodium/potassium hydroxide solution in
methanol/ethanol.
Glycerine that is made from NaOH will NOT breakdown on the compost pile.
Excessive amounts of Na is not good fo
'Just saw soy oil at Sam's for $25.67 per 35 lb. jug; that's $5.58 per
gallon!!
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Nearly 3 yrs ago, I used soy oil from Sam's as Diesel fuel for about 4
months, 'cause it was cheaper than #2 and to see/learn how it "does" - 'did
very well, too; engine quieter, smoother, etc..
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It's not a bargain anymore,is it?
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> 'Saw soy oil today at Sam's for $6.74/gal. in 35 lb. jug!!
>
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Soy farmers thank you very much, too -- except, they fuel their tractors and
combines and trucks with diesel, so it is probably a wash.
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> It's not a bargain anymore,is it?
>
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Wilton Stri
Nope
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> It's not a bargain anymore,is it?
>
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 7:14
Who is going to start importing Jatropha oil? Sigh.
-Rolf
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They probably raised it because everyone was buying to to burn in their car.
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> 'Just saw soy oil at Sam's for $25.67 per 35 lb. jug; that's $5.58 per
> gallon!!
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It will go up with the additional commercial BioD plants that are
coming on line. More demand.
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> They probably raised it because everyone was buying to to burn in their car.
>
>
> wilton strickland wrote:
> > 'Just saw
every commodity price is going through the roof. are they still telling us
there is no inflation or that lie has perhaps gone out the window?
there is no inflation for washington talking heads who earn 7 figures a year
as what the hell does it matter to them if something is $1 or $3.
On Sun, Apr
soybeans were about $4.50/bushel not too long ago...they are now $13.00/bushel.
Ditto Gary on inflation (FOR SURE) and probably OK Don as well on increased
demand.
Chris McCann
"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They probably raised it because
everyone was buying to to burn in
"Christopher McCann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> soybeans were about $4.50/bushel not too long ago...they are now
> $13.00/bushel.
>
> Ditto Gary on inflation (FOR SURE) and probably OK Don as well on
> increased demand.
Maybe we'll soon wake up to the folly of the idea that it's better to
use o
> every commodity price is going through the roof. are they still telling us
> there is no inflation or that lie has perhaps gone out the window?
Sadly, the Federal Reserve Bank uses "core inflation" figures. Core inflation
do NOT include energy prices or food prices in its computation. If they
we are mostly dependent on fuel and food. what the hell might they be
counting that is a more important measure than those?
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > every commodity price is going through the roof. are they still telling
> us
> > there is no i
> we are mostly dependent on fuel and food. what the hell might they be
> counting that is a more important measure than those?
Probably a rhetorical question, but your answers lie within these two web pages.
http://www.stls.frb.org/publications/re/2002/a/pages/lead-article.html
http://www.clev
and let's not forget about adding in what you're supposed to be paying
in Road Taxes for veggie oil that you use as fuel on public roads,...
makes it look even *less* attractive!
commercial BioD just went over $4/G here locally; still makes for a
better deal (and that's with all taxes paid,
Now you know why the soy BioDiesel plants are in a world of hurt!
At 07:10 PM 4/13/2008, you wrote:
>They probably raised it because everyone was buying to to burn in their car.
>
>wilton strickland wrote:
> > 'Just saw soy oil at Sam's for $25.67 per 35 lb. jug; that's $5.58 per
> > gallon!!
I've actually never seen food-grade vegetable oil of any type ever
cheaper per gallon than #2 diesel, and that's with all the road taxes
on the #2. I never understood why anyone would buy it for fuel.
Allan
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Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Now you know why the soy BioDies
Same here --
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've actually never seen food-grade vegetable oil of any type ever
> cheaper per gallon than #2 diesel, and that's with all the road taxes
> on the #2. I never understood why anyone would buy it for fuel.
>
Putting fresh food in the tank was feasible in places where they paid
$4 for fuel when we were paying $1. Of course the limey revenooers were
actively prosecuting that, along with unlicensed possession of televisions.
(You don't pay for BBC with donations like you do with PBS. In the UK
you have
the problem i've had with using any kind of vegi is that it acts as a
solvent and brings up all the old fillth
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:49 AM, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Nearly 3 yrs ago, I used soy oil from Sam's as Diesel fuel for about 4
> months, 'cause it was cheaper th
Soybeans had been at $4.50 a bushel for decades. It NEEDED to go up, loads of
farmers were growing below the cost of production.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:50:01 -0700 (PDT)
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Soybeans had been at $4.50 a bushel for decades. It NEEDED to go up, loads of
farmers were growing below the cost of production.
-Curt
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money...
Northern Maine potatoes and oats are becoming much more valuable as the rest of
the country goes into corn and soy.
-Curt
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It's time to turn the back yard into a garden
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> Yeahbut my farmer friends are making
Raised bed garden.
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i live on granite
Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Soybeans had been at $4.50 a bushel for decades. It NEEDED to go up,
> loads of farmers were growing below the cost of production.
How's that, has it been subsidized?
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> soybeans were about $4.50/bushel not too long ago.
Wonko the Sane wrote:
> Ya know, I've lived in Iowa for more than a decade now, and I've yet to meet
> a poor farmer. They have bigger houses than I have, drive new cars (some a
> Benz), and seem to be well off. Most have assets in seven figures (or
> more), clear title.
Back in the early 70's (b
All true. But here, the corporation (most are incorporated) is passed down
thru the family.
I was office manager for a corporate farm before I took my present "retard"
job. EVERYTHING -- almost down to the purchase of toilet paper -- was
charged against the corporation and was a tax write-off. Th
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Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Soybeans had been at $4.50 a bushel for decades. It NEEDED to go up,
> loads of fa
They need to farm like I garden - there would be no excess supply, and
there would be no fat people, just hungry ones.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Thats part of it. The other part is supply and demand. A lot of farmers,
> when they wanted more mon
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