> archer wrote:
> During the 1980s I asked a trucker about the best way to use
> brakes on a long mountain grade with a heavy loaded pickup
> pulling a heavy trailer with no brakes. He said once you
> start down the grade apply the brakes gently and don't let off
> until the bottom of the hill.
From: "Jerry Herrman"
With your collective indulgence, I'd like to re-open the discussion of the
topic "sudden acceleration". You may recall in mid february I opened the
discussion with this submission in vol. 51 issue 39, or thereabouts:
( " So yesterday I heard what I believe was a public
Scams are always a possibility, but I don't think all of them are.
I've had a throttle fall open on me, fortunately in old Ford station
wagon with a six cylinder -- the return spring popped off -- and that
was alarming enough.
I've also had the throttle stick on the old 72 280 SE, and I w
*Nod* especially now with all the publicity.
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:09:47 -0600
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin"
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I wonder how much of the braking for the prius is base upon the
regenerative system and how much is based on the REAL brakes... And
when the real brakes are triggered vs the regenerative system.
Also, with a prius, you have the gasoline engine and the electric
motor to work with (against).
And they knew that in 1968.
Peter Frederick wrote:
In one case the driver finally put the transmission selector in
REVERSE and the computer finally let off the throttle Shifting to
neutral won't necessarily do anything in a "smart" system if it's
already gone bonkers, and the computer is prob
I wonder how many of these things are people just trying to scam and get
some money. You know there are going to be some scammers out there.
Curt Raymond wrote:
It sounds like the dude the other day was trying to hold speed with the brakes
before they failed. So again, brake hard and hold unt
In one case the driver finally put the transmission selector in
REVERSE and the computer finally let off the throttle Shifting to
neutral won't necessarily do anything in a "smart" system if it's
already gone bonkers, and the computer is probably programmed to
prevent going into neutral at
input the
computer would ignore. Which is really the whole problem, the computer ignoring
input from the driver I mean.
-Curt
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:34:45 -0800
From: "Jerry Herrman"
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Subject: [MBZ] Sudden Acceleration Revisited
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Jerry Herrman wrote:
The recent report of a Prius driver's scary struggle with sudden unexpected
acceleration raises this topic again.
I believe Hybrids are a special case, with brake by wire. You hit the brake
pedal, the computer looks at the battery, the speed, and how hard you're hitting
If you start to brake at 100mph, you are a fool. I think there is a
lot of foolishness here.
3 Toyota's have crashed in Connecticut, attorney general is on a tear.
I'd like to see Toyota take a few cars onto a test site and run them to
60mph and floor both pedals. The would put this issu
With your collective indulgence, I'd like to re-open the discussion of the
topic "sudden acceleration". You may recall in mid february I opened the
discussion with this submission in vol. 51 issue 39, or thereabouts:
( " So yesterday I heard what I believe was a public service announcement (by
I guess so, its very hard to tell from their website but a google for "rear
wheel drive lexus" brings up some hits...
-Curt
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:57:09 -0600
From: Donald Snook
To: "'Mercedes@okiebenz.com'"
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration
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On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
> Curt wrote: "Does Toyota even make RWD cars?"
>
> Are some of the Lexus models RWD?
>
Yes, everything but the gussied-up-Camry ES series. (I'm not counting
the SUVs.)
If Toyota ever starts importing sports cars again, they will probably
all
Curt wrote: "Does Toyota even make RWD cars?"
Are some of the Lexus models RWD?
Donald H. Snook
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Does Toyota even make RWD cars?
-Curt
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:24:31 -0500
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open." Also a government test
video showing problems with not being able to stop the engine
with the push button and apparently not able to take the car out
of gear though that part wasn't too clear.
Manfred
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:58:34 -0500
From: "Allan Streib"
Does Toyota even make RWD cars?
-Curt
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:24:31 -0500
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I think that 80% biased
the
same time but then said "I can't do it , the brake doesn't go down far enough"
when I told her to do it again with the truck running she got very red...
-Curt
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:19:51 -0800
From: "Jerry Herrman"
To:
Subject: [MBZ]
ly hold the power of a duel quad
hemi with manual drum brakes.
--
Peter Arnold
Windsor, CT
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From: "Jerry Herrman"
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:19:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
Eastern
Subject: [MBZ] Sudden acceleratio
e by, you could easily hold the power of a duel quad
hemi with manual drum brakes.
--
Peter Arnold
Windsor, CT
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From: "Jerry Herrman"
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:19:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [MBZ]
IF you apply the brakes firmly and stop the car, yes this is likely true.
If you ride the brakes a while to control the speed but do not stop the car
they will overheat and fail.
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:19 -0800, "Jerry Herrman" wrote:
> So yesterday I heard what I believe was a public service
> Peter Arnold
>
> Windsor, CT
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jerry Herrman"
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:19:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration
>
> So yesterday I hea
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Brakes will easily stall the engine, or lock it to the torque
convertor's stall speed. Try it, you'll do no harm. As a drag racer of
years gone by, you could easily hold the
From: "Jerry Herrman"
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:19:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration
So yesterday I heard what I believe was a public service announcement (by some
automotive engineer, I think) on the r
Jerry Herrman wrote:
So yesterday I heard what I believe was a public service announcement (by some
automotive engineer, I think) on the radio saying that the least powerful
brakes are going to easily overpower the most powerful engine.This suggests
that applying your brakes firmly in an unexp
I think that 80% biased front brakes and RWD == uncontrollable donuts.
In the case of your 240d, you are almost certainly correct :D.
There is a good thread on my forums about a guy who is trying to make
drive by wire for our om61x's but I have to wonder to what end. We are
all planning on usi
So yesterday I heard what I believe was a public service announcement (by some
automotive engineer, I think) on the radio saying that the least powerful
brakes are going to easily overpower the most powerful engine.This suggests
that applying your brakes firmly in an unexpected acceleration situ
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