I'm guessing this topic has been discussed on this forum.
Seeing a moist area beneath the 20+ year old gas hot water heater, I know that
it is time for replacement real soon. Home Depot sells a 50 gallon GE with a 6
year warranty for $430. Way up from when I last looked at water heaters. Or
fo
Allan Streib wrote:
G Mann writes:
IMHO I will never again buy a tank type water heater. I now own tankless
water heaters and am very satisfied. I NEVER run out of hot water, my
operation costs are way down and the amount of space required for the
heater is not much larger than a desk top com
Some years ago I knew someone who installed a tankless system and they did
not like it. As I recall, the problem was that all his faucets became
clogged because the minerals in the water that were getting collected in
the water heater were making their way to his taps and shower instead.
I don't
Keep in mind that a 2x4 is not 2" or 4" and a 50 gallon water heater
DOES NOT hold 50 gallons of water.
-Dave Walton
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote:
> I'm guessing this topic has been discussed on this forum.
> Seeing a moist area beneath the 20+ year old gas hot water heate
Jerry,
While it sounds like you are looking at this from a purely fiscal point of
view, have you considered one of the hybrid hot water heaters? They are
considerably more than a standard water heater, but have considerably lower
operating cost, and in some cases, qualify for a tax rebate due
rably more than
a normal sized 50 gal water heater.
TE
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Jerry,
While
The lifetime, 5yr, 10yr, whatever are exactly the same unit. You are
just paying for the warranty. Gas recovers faster than electric, so a
smaller tank might work for you. But since it depends on who has to
take the last shower, you decide.
--R
On 1/5/12 8:29 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote:
I'm
IMHO I will never again buy a tank type water heater. I now own tankless
water heaters and am very satisfied. I NEVER run out of hot water, my
operation costs are way down and the amount of space required for the
heater is not much larger than a desk top computer.
At the Ranch house propane is th
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 22:21:29 -0700 G Mann wrote:
> IMHO I will never again buy a tank type water heater. I now own
> tankless water heaters and am very satisfied. I NEVER run out of hot
> water, my operation costs are way down and the amount of space required
> for the heater is not much larger t
Craig,
Here is the one I got from Ebay. They also make larger sized ones if you
feel you need it. This size worked well for my house needs.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EZ-202-Tankless-Water-Heater-LP-Liquid-Propane-3-2-GPM-FREE-Mfg-Warranty-/270852108348?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f100b303c
You
G Mann writes:
> IMHO I will never again buy a tank type water heater. I now own tankless
> water heaters and am very satisfied. I NEVER run out of hot water, my
> operation costs are way down and the amount of space required for the
> heater is not much larger than a desk top computer.
I insta
I have a friend who installed an electric tankless heater at his parent's
house, however, I have never been able to determine what it costs them to run
it versus a tank type heater.
I find it difficult to imagine a tankless electric heater as efficient, but
then again, my only experience is wit
Dan Penoff wrote:
I find it difficult to imagine a tankless electric heater as efficient, but
then again, my only experience is with gas fired versions.
It's easy to make a 100% efficient electric heater. Just make sure your
resistive heating element is totally surrounded by the medium you w
> Dan Penoff wrote:
> I find it difficult to imagine a tankless electric heater as
> efficient, but then again, my only experience is with gas
> fired versions.
It is the lack of standby losses that make them more efficient.
If you use a lot of hot water, it may not matter much - but for
most hou
Fmiser writes:
> It is the lack of standby losses that make them more efficient.
> If you use a lot of hot water, it may not matter much - but for
> most houses there is a lot of energy lost keeping the water hot
> "just it case".
With better-insulated tanks and high efficiency burners in modern
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IMHO I will never again buy a tank type water heater. I now own tankless
water heaters and am very satisfied. I NEVER run out of hot water, my
operation costs are way down and the amount of space required for the
heat
I had to replace mine (electric) 2.5 yr ago, and the same size tank
(60gal) was about 4in bigger diameter than the old one, which
necessitated removal and replacement of the whole door/frame/rough frame
to get the thing to fit in the closet it sits in. Apparently all
insulation. You cannot rea
Is this a simple diy or a big pain and requires a plumber?
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I'd like to jump into the middle of this discussion with two questions and
two comment. I too have heard that the difference between the two prices for
a water heater is that the higher priced one comes with a longer warranty
(here in San Diego six years vs. nine years last I checked). I've also he
Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?
Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with same
capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, t
It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but it’s in
the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas.
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> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
>
> Is your plumbing CPVC,
You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber and
expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it. Also
if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation being
done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
else's.
One more thi
Not only this, but it’s an expense against the operating costs of the rental.
Because you are doing cost accounting for tax purposes, aren’t you?
-D
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber and
> ex
I’m getting quotes for the cheapest tank they can find. The sad part is I just
bought a home warranty the other day because I figured the systems are all 15
years old and will start requiring replacement in the near future. I normally
don’t do these but know several people with rentals and they
Yes
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> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Not only this, but it’s an expense against the operating costs of the
> rental. Because you are doing cost accounting for tax purposes, aren’t you?
>
> -D
>
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Allan Str
YOu know too there is like a 3yr and a 5yr warranty tank. They are the
exact some unit, you're just paying for the additional warranty time.
Replacing one is not hard if you have the tools and want to waste the
time chasing after it and dealing with it, but if this is a rental then
go ahead a
In my experience, the tanks always leak eventually. This has been the
only reason I've ever needed to replace a water heater. But they last
far longer than 5 years unless maybe you have some really corrosive
water.
Also the tank will likely have a replaceable sacrificial anode, which
most people a
ll OK although I did have to replace a
corrugated copper flex hose (hot side) after it corroded through.
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From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 4:47 PM
To: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Cc: Allan Streib
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Water h
The wife called around and cheapest quote she got was $1200. Looking at Lowe’s
at HD can get one for about $400. They really want $600 to install it?
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>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>> wrote:
> YOu know too there is like a 3yr and a 5yr warranty
If it’s Lowe’s, yes. They gouge the piss out of you on installs. They sub it to
a local plumber and then add profit on top of that. I asked for a quote on my
last one and it was nearly as much as the water heater itself.
No thanks.
-D
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
No that was calling local plumbing places. Seems like a ripoff to me. I guess
I’m going to do it myself.
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> On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> If it’s Lowe’s, yes. They gouge the piss out of you on installs. They sub it
> to a local plumber
Lowe’s will be just as much, I’m sure.
-D
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> No that was calling local plumbing places. Seems like a ripoff to me. I guess
> I’m going to do it myself.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Dan Penoff
Mine was covered by the HOW but I had to pay for the safety valve ($300).
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Lowe’s will be just as much, I’m sure.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.co
That’s a major ream. A high pressure relief valve is under $20.
https://www.lowes.com/pl/Pressure-relief-valve--Water-heater-parts-Water-heaters-Plumbing/4294400567?refinement=4294400532
-D
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> No that was calling local plumb
I can't complain. I filed at least 10 claims in 4 years so they lost money
every year. They ended up not renewing me.
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> That’s a major ream. A high pressure relief valve is under $20.
>
>
> https://www.lowes
They’re betting against you. They lost.
-D
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> I can't complain. I filed at least 10 claims in 4 years so they lost money
> every year. They ended up not renewing me.
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> mailt
Sadly, water heaters are common price gouge items. They know anyone
replacing a water heater is likely in a mild panic and feeling they need
to replace the heater RIGHT NOW.
So they quote the most expensive model and then add on installation and
a generous profit. Some of which is maybe deserved i
I’ve never changed one in all the years I’ve owned homes, however, I have been
diligent in flushing my water heater on an annual basis. It’s a pretty simple
job and just takes maybe 1/2 hour to do.
If I was going to pull an anode, I would just use a 1/2” socket and breaker
bar. Once out, you’ll
hose (hot side) after it corroded through.
>
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> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 4:47 PM
> To: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> Cc: Allan Streib
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement
>
> I
Well I remembered my father has some old time plumber he uses and
recently had him install a water heater and redid all of the gas lines
under his 100 year old house. I think my dad said he charged him around
$1500 to replace all the gas lines, which I would imagine is cheap
considering the gu
>The new age plumbing companies are a rip off.
Professional plumbers are probably more expensive because of permit
requirements, licensing requirements, and bonding and liability insurance
requirements. If a house blows up from a gas leak because of an improperly
installed water heater, how man
This guy has a plumbing company and licensed etc, he is just old school
and works by himself I guess.
On 6/10/2020 9:23 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
The new age plumbing companies are a rip off.
Professional plumbers are probably more expensive because of permit
requirements, licensing
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