[MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?

2007-01-11 Thread Hans Neureiter
Funny how that thread veered off from Diesels in NA to Mazda. The article exclaims that cars with diesels don't sell in the USA. They are not available, that's why. No law that they can't be sold, but the deal we made, Mr. importer, is off if you do. Hybrids are the IN-thing for the moment (just w

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?

2007-01-11 Thread Peter Frederick
I heard from the head of the local MB dealer's shop that they stopped putting them on the lot here in 1986, because they could not get buyers to even test drive them. Absolutely refused. Turned themselves inside out for a 420, refused to even look at a 300SDL, even though they are very simila

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?

2007-01-11 Thread David Brodbeck
Hans Neureiter wrote: > Funny how that thread veered off from Diesels in NA to Mazda. > The article exclaims that cars with diesels don't sell in the USA. > They are not available, that's why. > VW TDIs tend not to stay on the lot long, but I suspect VW is carefully limiting supply to make sure

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?

2007-01-11 Thread David Brodbeck
Hans Neureiter wrote: > And our infamous EPA, in bed with the Detroit giants, has everything and all > to do with that. > Oh, one more thing...if the EPA was in bed with Detroit, I wouldn't expect them to be pushing hybrid tech. The Big 3 are way behind in that area. They'd have an easier tim

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?

2007-01-11 Thread Werner Fehlauer
nutes of cranking to fire up. Perhaps that's the source of this "urban legend". Werner - Original Message - From: "David Brodbeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?

2007-01-11 Thread kevin kraly
seeing Ford Powerstrokes clattering and belching soot doesn't help people accept the same technology in cars. ;) Besides the "gee whiz" factor, I think a big reason hybrids have caught the public's attention is they're seen as delivering diesel fuel economy, but with "clean" gasoline instead of s

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?

2007-01-11 Thread Allan Streib
"kevin kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The Duramax is much the same with very littel diesel smell, > especially the newer ones. Duramax is an Izuzu engine, is it not? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?

2007-01-11 Thread David Brodbeck
kevin kraly wrote: > My '06 Dodge/Cummins is smooth, quiet, and doesn't have the TRADITIONAL > diesel smell. I can smell that sooty smell when a PowerCHOKE goes by, > powerCHOKE since one practically CHOKES when smelling the exhaust. To be fair, the Powerstrokes burn pretty clean as they come f

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?

2007-01-11 Thread Hans Neureiter
Somehow "brainwashing" comes to mind. With media tools, like ads and other marketing aids, the public opinion can be, and obviously is, turned in one direction or another. Escapes me why diesels had been made looking bad ever since the 80's. Than there were MB's, Volvos, VW's, Peugeots, Mazdas and

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?

2007-01-11 Thread Curt Raymond
... Wierd. -Curt Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:37:00 -0800 From: David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels? To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be)Ford Diesels?

2007-01-11 Thread kevin kraly
Duramax is an Izuzu engine, is it not? Yep, it's an Isuzu engine, at least partly. I'm not sure how much GM helped with the design. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?

2007-01-11 Thread John W. Reames III
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Curt Raymond wrote: > > I tried to get an appointment to see a Jeep Liberty diesel. The dealer > laughed and laughed, there was no way he could get one. > Turns out Jeep was putting out like 4000 of them a year... And from what I hear the dealers don't know how to service t

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?

2007-01-11 Thread Bill Gallagher
"I tried to get an appointment to see a Jeep Liberty diesel." I requested info mail to me about the Liberty, Got a big package and nothing on the Diesel Liberty . Just think they are testing the market place for response and make profit projected before the product is produced ..

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be)Ford Diesels?

2007-01-11 Thread Mitch Haley
"John W. Reames III" wrote: > I met someone who had an early Liberty CRD, and they told me a couple of > horror stories (ie turbo being replaced twice because the dealer didn't > know what to do, niether one was bad, but there was a bad sensor somewhere > else that was cutting fuel enrichment and

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be)Ford Diesels?

2007-01-12 Thread Bob Rentfro
Curt mentioned: "Honda has a brilliant diesel marketing campaign in the UK based largely on an American radio personality..." Whom is that? Bob R

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?

2007-01-12 Thread Peter Frederick
Well, the NA Rabbit was, well, a slug. 52 mpg, but all day to get to 60. The NA volvo was slow too, not enough engine for the body. The turbo, especially the 5 speed manny was FAST -- still the best highway car I've ever driven. It was all about flashing cash and burning tires in traffic -

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be)Ford Diesels?

2007-01-12 Thread John W. Reames III
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Mitch Haley wrote: > I got a perfect, slightly used, VNT turbo from a 2005 E320CDI that way. > The mechanic kept the non-defective take-off and sold it to me. Hmm that really deserves to be bolted onto an OM606. Wait. I've got TWO of them... hmm. Scum =) (or is that me?) T

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?

2007-01-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
it is Allan Streib wrote: "kevin kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The Duramax is much the same with very littel diesel smell, especially the newer ones. Duramax is an Izuzu engine, is it not? Allan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be) Ford Diesels?

2007-01-12 Thread kevin kraly
I can't wait until we see the MB powered Grand Cherokee (which the MB dealers who have the proper tools won't be allowed to touch!) I guess it's just like the Dodge/Cummins situation. Only Dodge dealers can work on the Cummins engines, not the Cummins certified service centers who, no doubt,

Re: [MBZ] Why are the FEDS boycotting diesel cars? (used to be)Ford Diesels?

2007-01-12 Thread Tjohn
Garrison Keillor, the guy from "A Prarie Home Companion" on a lot of public radio stations. You can find the commerical on the net if you poke around a bit. On 1/11/07, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Curt mentioned: "Honda has a brilliant diesel marketing campaign in the UK based lar