I think the FAA concern was less with the strength of the composites
than the then-unknowns of how they might fatigue over time. With more
than a few lessons about metal fatigue learned the hard way, they didn't
want to repeat that experience with composites.
Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
Allan,
I think you nailed the core issue with FAA. With metal fatigue there are
clues that give advance warning it is happening. With composite
construction, the clues are much harder to find and identify, plus, there
is no way to take apart a composite assembly once it's glued together for
IIRC back when Beech was selling them, the Avanti had better numbers, fuel
consumption, number of seats, etc, according to several articles I read.
That was the reason for the Starships poor sales according to the article.
The Avanti is still in production.
And that's why general aviation is stuck in 1940s technology.
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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 10:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] starship
Nothing.
The problem was, the entire
Hi All.
I always wondered what happened to them. IIRC, they had amazing
performance.
The FAA exhibits monarch type legislative oversight - likely rightfully
so. The FAA is responsible for a large number of airplanes and by
extension, passengers.Back when I was taking flying lessons i
Saw an unusual airplane climbing out of our local airport today. Canard
configuration with pusher propellors on the trailing side of the main
wings. Was quite sure I'd never seen anything like it so did a bit of
googling revealing what it likely was:
Allan Streib wrote:
Saw an unusual airplane climbing out of our local airport today. Canard
configuration with pusher propellors on the trailing side of the main
wings. Was quite sure I'd never seen anything like it so did a bit of
googling revealing what it likely was:
Hm... maybe more likely an Avanti...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.180_Avanti
Only saw it for a few seconds.
Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu writes:
Saw an unusual airplane climbing out of our local airport today. Canard
configuration with pusher propellors on the trailing side
On Sat, 04 May 2013 19:58:39 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Allan Streib wrote:
Saw an unusual airplane climbing out of our local airport today.
Canard configuration with pusher propellors on the trailing side of
the main wings. Was quite sure I'd never seen anything like it so
There is one that flies around here occasionally, it is very noisy.
--R (sent from my miniPad)
On May 4, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
Hm... maybe more likely an Avanti...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.180_Avanti
Only saw it for a few seconds.
Allan
Folks
I've seen a Starship on the ground here at AHN, probably 5 or 8 years
ago. I'm not sure that i would want one, even for $50,000
thanks,
xx rick
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All Starships were removed from service, Beachcraft bought them all back
and retired them.. except one. The owner refused to sell it back and
continues to use it. I believe it is the only flying Starship.
Very good fellow pilot friend is a certified Starship pilot and flew them
for years in
What was wrong with them?
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:10 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
All Starships were removed from service, Beachcraft bought them all back
and retired them.. except one. The owner refused to sell it back and
continues to use it. I believe it is the only flying
Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes:
There is one that flies around here occasionally, it is very noisy.
That's why I looked up at it... I could tell it was a turboprop, but it
sounded different.
--
Allan Streib
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Nothing.
The problem was, the entire fleet sold only made a bit more than 50
airplanes. The certification of an all composite airplane had never been
done [Beech spent millions and millions getting past FAA] and the FAA has
no basis to establish service life on the composite parts, like wing
That would really suck!
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 9:48 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
Nothing.
The requirement to continue to supply service and parts
exceeded the profit potential for the fleet, no new sales or production was
going to happen, so Beech did the only thing it could to save
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