> So no, unfortunately I'm not joking. The legal sector has pulled off
> stupider stunts than that in the past. See, for example, as earlier
> noted, Operation Sundevil for the confiscation and draving conspiracy
> links etc. approach from FBI
That was a Secret Service operation. The FBI was rat
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>"Vincent J. Mooney Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If it comes to trial, that could take months or years. How
> should GIMPS act in the meantime? If somebody authorized by
> US West tells the press "CPU cycles were stolen from US West",
>
But according to Aaron, the results he has been credited with on the
Mersenne top producers page and at primenet did not come from US West
processors, since the activity was terminated before the first exponents
at USWest completed.
Is it right to delete credit for legitimately obtained results
At 02:23 PM 9/19/98 -0700, I myself wrote:
>I now raise the questions:
>Has the time come to move this discussion off of the Mersenne
>mailing list?
>
>If I post it the URL here, then we may go way off topic. Also, if
>I post the URL somewhere on USENet, a wider audience will see it.
>
>P
I'm in the same boat, I have four Factored numbers to post and growing.
Bruce.
At 05:46 PM 9/18/98 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
>>I don't really care about the Blosser bit. I just
>>wish the PrimeNet server would be more reliable.
>
>
>agreed. I discovered most of my HTTP clients at work wer
At 09:44 AM 9/18/98 -0600, Aaron Blosser wrote:
>>We have been having quite a bit of discussion on what to do with
>>Aaron's results, given that U.S. West claims that he didn't have
>>premission to use the machines in question.
>
>Maybe I can end this right now.
Ah, if it were only that simple.
Henk Stokhorst wrote:
>The next version (16.x or whatever) should default to 240 minutes instead
>of 2. As long as the server is down less than the days of work to get
>(mine is at 7) it will work fine. Also I would like to be able to set it
>to a maximum of 720 minutes.
I don't see any reason
At 10:45 PM 9/19/98 +0300, Jukka Tapani Santala wrote:
>Also consider the fact that the newspaper articles said the search
>warrant (By the way, any change of getting it scanned out for a web-site
>on the issue?
I have it on a web site, but I have not published the URL yet.
I only posted the f
On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Ocrat Subscriber wrote:
>>> the GIMPS server
>>> machines, which [the FBI] would be entitled
>>> to by many grounds, weren't confiscated.
> The PrimeNet Server? I hope this was a joke in
> poor taste. There are no such grounds for the
> FBI to take any such action. They ma
>> agreed. I discovered most of my HTTP clients at work were busy retrying
ever 2
>> minutes and not getting any work done today.
>
>The next version (16.x or whatever) should default to 240 minutes instead of
2. As
>long as the server is down less than the days of work to get (mine is at 7)
it
>w
I always default mine to 300 min. If it happens to complete while
I'm not home I don't want it wasting time trying to contact Primenet
when there is no chance. I usually start checking it manually
everyday when it starts to get close to completion. With these
5 mil+ numbers that is a lot less oft
On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:25:20 +0200, Henk Stokhorst wrote:
>The next version (16.x or whatever) should default to 240 minutes instead
>of 2. As long as the server is down less than the days of work to get
>(mine is at 7) it will work fine. Also I would like to be able to set it
>to a maximum o
John R Pierce wrote:
> agreed. I discovered most of my HTTP clients at work were busy retrying ever 2
> minutes and not getting any work done today.
The next version (16.x or whatever) should default to 240 minutes instead of 2. As
long as the server is down less than the days of work to get (mi
ssion list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Friday, September 18, 1998 9:24 PM
>Subject: Re: Mersenne: A short gdunken on Aaron B's situation
>
>>I don't really care about the Blosser bit. I just
>>wish the PrimeNet server would be more reliable.
>
>
>agreed. I
>I don't really care about the Blosser bit. I just
>wish the PrimeNet server would be more reliable.
agreed. I discovered most of my HTTP clients at work were busy retrying ever 2
minutes and not getting any work done today. Grrr. And several have results
they are trying to post, gr.
-jr
> others have also called this uncalled for.
> As several have mentioned, I was
> indeed recalling the rejection of the
> "scientific work" by so-called
> "scientists" of Germany and Japan during WWII.
> These results were tossed out by the Western
> powers. The case here is not as serious, not a
From: Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>"Vincent J. Mooney Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Well, we could argue this for a long time. I vote for discarding the
>> results and asking GIMPS to warn its participants to never do this again.
>> GIMPS should no
> Let me explain my reasoning: GIMPS should have a _policy_ of what
> are appropriate CPU-cycles, and what are *inappropriate* CPU-cycles.
> Then GIMPS should enforce that policy by NOT ACCEPTING the results
> of *inappropriate* CPU-cycles.
The problem with having a policy on correct and incorr
>We have been having quite a bit of discussion on what to do with
>Aaron's results, given that U.S. West claims that he didn't have
>premission to use the machines in question.
Maybe I can end this right now.
If you all think it's fair to remove the *credit* given to my user account,
then so be
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Vincent J. Mooney Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, we could argue this for a long time. I vote for discarding the
> results and asking GIMPS to warn its participants to never do this again.
> GIMPS should not credit Aaron for the work.
I second this prop
>GIMPS should not credit Aaron for the work.
I hate to drag this thread out further, but isn't this question academic
because Aaron's computers as US West were only running for two weeks? He
said that wasn't enough to actually return any LL results based on the size
of exponents he was running a
I don't really care about the Blosser bit. I just
wish the PrimeNet server would be more reliable.
Randy Given
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.aol.com/GivenRandy
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As the one who started all this, I commend Seth L. Chazanoff's comments
below. I realize this is for some an intriguing issue, hard to resolve.
One person resolved it by a personal, and uncalled for, criticism of me;
others have also called this uncalled for. As several have mentioned, I was
ind
We have been having quite a bit of discussion on what to do with
Aaron's results, given that U.S. West claims that he didn't have
premission to use the machines in question.
Let's try this:
Assume that I am your supervisor, and you come to me and and make your
pitch for permissio
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