Hi Elton,
The web page still exists:
http://www.chosenones.net/article.php?id=464
peter
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I wish I had had you hear last week to explain this to some new friends of
mine,Matthias.
I don't know if anyone recalls this but soon after Peekskill hit there was a
elaborate web page espousing that Peekskill was shot specifically into
Michele's car by aliens to send a message about the
Hehe, Elton, way to go ahm to speed :-)
Btw. don't you think it's time now to appeal to all these lousy stone
throwers to do a better job and help automobile industry out of the crisis?
Okay, wouldn't be so good for insurance companies, but ...
Best, Matthias
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Hi All
On the page Peter shows
http://www.chosenones.net/article.php?id=464
they list 3 coincidences to help support their argument for whatever
they are trying to prove.
All are at best laughable but check out #3 especially;
1) A perfect isosceles triangle is formed by connecting the recorded
Probably not, but we can still hope.
Mike
http://www.wpix.com/landing/?What-Was-That=1blockID=241728feedID=1404
What Was That?
By MIKE GRAHAM | wpix.com
March 17, 2009
STATEN ISLAND (WPIX) -- Staten Island residents had themselves saying what was
that loud boom last night. Whatever the noise
I was scouring the web as I usually do looking for meteorite related
information when I stumbled on this.
This is an old one from 2006 but it's worth a read...
-
2006-08-04 Josephine Roque - All Headline News Staff
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/17/another-asteroid-shaves-the-earth/
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5ibtvWESroERqJwlaFzOpcjeu8NAQ
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/fh-20090317.html
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Okay, that quote shoud really help in future negotions for search rights.
Good photos in the link.
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/stories/2009/03/17/03172009wacmeteor.html
Meteorite hunter: Find near Aquilla nets $10,000
Tuesday, March 17, 2009
By Ken Sury
Tribune-Herald staff
Hi Eric,
Mike Jensen has a great page called New Meteorite Falls that you'll
want to check out for more information on this and others.
http://jensenmeteorites.com/New%20meteorites.htm
Mike's page is also linked to each month on Meteorite-Times under
Features.
Yah,
meteorites in media, there are always only two story angles:
1. Do we all have to die?
2. It's worth a fortune!
The scientific importance, what we have learned from meteorites,
there you hardly will find a sentence about.
Just yesterday I took a look into my encyclopedia from 1957, the
Which quote?
Mike
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Michael
On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote:
Okay, that quote shoud really help in future negotions for search rights.
Good photos in the link.
Hey Guys,
A special congrats goes out to my wife Qynne who found one of those dam
hammer stones!
Literally, the rock hit an earthen dam of a stock pond near West. And not
only that, it is a 100% crusted oriented specimen as well.
6.1 grams.
Photos here:
Respectfully Steve,
I do not think a meteorite hitting an earthen dam would qualify as a
hammer. Think of all of the stones that hits roads (dirt or paved), crop
field (man made), etc. I personally think this whole hammer qualification
has gotten out of hand.
On the other hand,
Steve,
There is always someone to try and rain on your parade!
I did not realize earthen Dams were not man made? I thought it was CLEAR that
if it hits anything man made it is indeed a hammer? Where is Blood here?
Did you find that 1673 gram piece or is it one you purchased? Is it the main
In a message dated 3/18/2009 12:39:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
gmh...@htn.net writes:
Respectfully Steve,
I do not think a meteorite hitting an earthen dam would qualify as a
hammer. Think of all of the stones that hits roads (dirt or paved), crop
field (man made), etc. I personally
Um, I hope this is a joke, as far as calling it a hammer.
We also found more than one stone on earthen dams, not of interest to me as
you could not throw a rock out there without hitting a pond.
Stones were also found in driveways and roadsides, those are not hammers.
This is out of hand,
Steve,
I've already been shot down on this one. My cemetery stone, which as you know
cause you were there, was literally found on a grave mound and it didn't
qualify as a hammer. So I don't think too many here will accept your wife's
stone as a hammer. However, if they do I'm pretty sure we
Thanks Carl.
None of the 69 meteorites I recovered were purchased. All were found.
I will go into more details about the 1,673g find a little later.
I am not sure if it is the Main Mass, as I am not sure the exact weights of
others that have been found.
By the way, it WAS raining the
I thought a damn is a man made structure? A bridge is more than a road as well?
Not just a road but a structure. A road becomes a structure when it is a
bridge. STRUCTURE seems to be the key word here. Carl
Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote:
Um, I hope this is a joke, as far
Hello Carl,
Not raining on anyone's parade. I didn't say an earthen dam was not man
made. I think qualifying such meteorite strikes as hammers is ridiculous!!
Michael Blood has an opinion, not a rule. If a meteorite lands in my yard or
a baseball field does it qualify as a hammer since these
Again Where is Michael blood. A head stone is clearly a man made structure at
least as much as a mail box is. Actually you can not reside in a mail box but
you can reside in a grave. So, if a mailbox qualifies then certainly a final
resting place applies. Carl
Ruben Garcia
In a message dated 3/18/2009 12:50:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
meteorite...@yahoo.com writes:
Um, I hope this is a joke, as far as calling it a hammer.
.
Mike and all,
While I will leave the interpretation of hammer up to the beholder, the
post was indeed more of a joke, or double
All:
Doesn’t a ‘Hammer’ have to do damage to anything living (person, dog or animal)
or any made-made object? If a meteorite hit a tree and scraped off some of the
bark – would that be a hammer? However, if a large meteorite struck a sidewalk
and chipped (damaged) it, then that may be
Carl,
Ruben wrote, ...was literally found on a grave mound I think he
clearly stated that, so where do you get the idea a stone hit the head
stone?
I think if said stone landed in the toilet of a boat, than you could call
that a Head Stone! That, or if it hit someone in the head. Maybe
Again,
Where is Michael? A mound is a structure specifically designed to function as
such. And Steve, I would like to buy the Dam hammer as I think Blood will rule
in it's favor. How much? Carl
Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote:
Carl,
Ruben wrote, ...was literally found on a grave mound
My next video will be on the definition of Hammers and the sound track will
be by(you guessed it) MC Hammer. It's Hammer Time!!!
Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos:
Greg,
I think all meteorite specimens have a story.
Some of the stories are lost. Some are preserved.
Some stories will be more appealing to some people than they will be to
others.
If a rock hit a pond, or a dam, or a car or a road, etc. it is all part of
that rock's story. Some
Just yesterday I took a look into my encyclopedia from 1957, the most
popular one of it's time, found in many bookshelves -there I read about
the age of the Earth: estimated 3 billion years...
This has been corrected to about 4.56 billion years nowadays, as far as the
accepted age of the
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:57:59 -0400, you wrote:
Michael Blood has an opinion, not a rule. If a meteorite lands in my yard or
a baseball field does it qualify as a hammer since these places were man
made? Over use of a term for marketing (not saying Steve had done this here)
is simply stupid!
Yes, I saw that the email was mostly a joke, and congrats on the stone.
But we must get this under control. A pile of dirt is nothing more than a pile
of dirt. Carl seems to think that anything touched by man would make a
meteorite a hammer stone. This is a crock of crap, and while I ignored
In a message dated 3/18/2009 1:14:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
cdtuc...@cox.net writes:
Again,
Where is Michael? A mound is a structure specifically designed to function
as such. And Steve, I would like to buy the Dam hammer as I think Blood will
rule in it's favor. How much? Carl
Carl,
.
Greeting all
My first eBay auctions in several months are closing shortly, including
Two 16 gram CV3s, 1 is still less than $0.75/gm
A couple millbillillie slices one light phase and one dark phase
Several really nice oriented pieces, the 20 gram one is only $0.33/gm right now.
A Dhofar
Hello Steve,
I agree with telling the true story behind a meteorite's recovery is
valuable and everyone appreciates that. I think because of one person's
extreme desire to collect AND sell hammers (Michael Blood, and the founder
of the term 'hammer'), does not make that person the authority
Okay Michael.
Now you added this to the equation;
--An earthen dam while yes, scraped by man, is still just dirt. No damage
could be
done to it.
Now are you saying damage has to be done to it
How much damage was done to the guys roof and do you have photos to prove it???
Not that we don't
In a message dated 3/18/2009 1:28:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
gmh...@htn.net writes:
Adding trees, dams, mounds, playfields, lawns and other man-made or touched
places is reaching to an extreme, and yes, it does cheapen the true
smashers.
.
Greg,
I found two specimens in an Indian
Maybe I should have entitled the thread Damn Hammers or Damn wanna-be
Hammers instead?
Steve
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Hello,
Thousands of $$$ worth of Meteorites in Auction This Week! All
started at 0.99 cents. More West Specimens have been added-some
beautiful slices and individuals. Also, a 25% off sale which
ends Weds Night. This is in my ebay store. PLEASE NOTE.
I am Heading Back Into
I'm going to further stir this up. In addition to my last comment, that
hammer should only refer to the offending stone that did damage, I
think there has to be a certain fame or notoriety associated with the
impact for it to be noteworthy enough for a special name like this.
Certainly, the
Carl,
You wrote:
Everyone seems to have an opinion here but the use of the word stupid by
Greg is uncalled for. Michael Blood will clear this up without any name
calling.
In reply to what I wrote earlier:
...Over use of a term for marketing (not saying Steve had done this here)
is simply
After being bit by too many of those Texas Fire Ants, I was hoping to find
at least one squished ant on the bottom of one of my finds, but alas, I never
found the elusive Ant Hammer Stone.
Steve
In a message dated 3/18/2009 2:04:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jgross...@usgs.gov writes:
IMHO, the fault lies not in the use of the term, but the existance of it.
Darren, you hit the nail on the head -
You're a hammer!
Thank you for that.
Next step would be, to dissociate the hammer-concept from solely
meteorites and to extend it e.g. on hailstones, lightning strokes, birds,
Completely agree. And as previously mentioned, in the not too distant
future an ever increasing number of meteorite showers will contain a
stone that hits a roof.
On Mar 18, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote:
I'm going to further stir this up. In addition to my last comment,
. and don't forget your genom sequential kit when go out hunting. A dead
sheep on the meadow, killed by a meteorite - wonderful, but: attention!
Could be good ol' Dolly (man-made = hammer = forget all your problems), but
usually a normal standard sheep (ram-made = ahm, non-hammer = hello
If I had a hammer, .
Pete
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Pete: If I had a hammer, ...
.. I hammered in the morning,
I hammered in the evening,
all over this land!
Bernd ;-)
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Hi Carl, Steve, Greg and others -
I have explained my position and the response
Varied from ho hum to you're wrong to outright
Expressions of resentment and accusations of distortion
to commercially exploit and take advantage of people.
I've had enough.
My book on hammers
Hi Carl,
We collect meteorite for fun.
Some of us enjoy collecting unusual meteorites
That have struck things. Some people enjoy shooting
Down some people because they have a different idea
As to whether this or that is a worthy Thing. Instead
Of just not collecting it for
we must get this under control
What is this, Germany!?
Get a grip!
some say tomato some say tomato (guess they
Are spelled the same way.
Michael
From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:16:04 -0700 (PDT)
To: Meteorite List
My two cents, Ocause what the hell, eh? We¹re up to several dollars by now.
Call whatever you want a hammer, because I don¹t think anyone will ever
agree on a ³lower cut-off level of importance² for a hammer-worthy target.
Just include a description of whatever the ³hammer² hit, and let the
Hi Steve and others,
I like the sound of Dam Hammer myself. It would make a great ebay name or TV
series. Some thoughts on the subject: Suppose a meteorite fragment struck the
Hoover Dam and was recovered? Would that be considered a hammer or no? What
about that West fragment you (Steve)
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:24:45 -0700, you wrote:
Suppose a meteorite fragment struck the Hoover Dam and was recovered?
Would that be considered a hammer or no?
See, that's the problem with a nebulous term. There are lots of ways to build a
dam-- pile up dirt, use field stones (with some sort of
Need a cheap cutter, multi kilo piece. Let me know what you may have off-list.
Thanks,
Matt
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
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Guten Tag, Michael :-)
Hang in there. Don't let 'em get to you.
Can't wait to read your book! Of course, I will purchase an autographed
copy.
I will now depart my computer to enjoy a good plate of spaghetti at the
Olive Garden.
Hammer, hammer, hammer.
Wish you could join me!
Darreb wrote: at what
point in the grade from dirt to concrete does the artificially-built dam
become
artificial enough to be concidered a hammerable object? When does the bloom
become Michael's tomato?
Hi Darren (and all),
I have a very precise response: The moment
It matters to
Could all list members please check their computer clocks?
Many posts are chronically out of order because some of you
Are 11 minutes fast, 40 minutes fast, 10 minutes slow, etc.
This makes it impossible to read posts in the order they were
Sent, as the receiving computer orders them on the basis
Actually, it would make a great name for a meteorite ;-)
Carl 's wrote:
I like the sound of Dam Hammer myself. It would make a great ebay name or TV series.
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Carl, you are a major part of this problem.
For example, you still keep selling Carancas on ebay quoting them as Haag
Collection pieces. This is an outright lie! Bob told me last year that he
asked you to stop doing that. Haag went to Carancas as a partner of yours, he
brought back all the
Greetings:
Don't know about y'all, but I'd rather be a hammer than a nail, yes I would.
I can't think of the name of that Rodgers and Hammerstein show tune.
What really confuses me is the difference between Armand Hammer and Arm
Hammer. Thor's hammer's name is: Mjolnir. Remember the
Hi Mike ,
If Steve gets to call his meteorite a Dam Hammer ,do I get to call mine
a Lake Hammer? The lake bed is now under 8-10' of water from all the
rain.
http://www.nevadameteorites.com/id33.htm
Sonny
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To:
Hi all,
I agree completely with Darren! For the most part, I don't use the term
Hammer when I sell one of my finds anyway. I'll use a description instead -
This meteorite was found on a grave or hit a tree or yard.
For those who've asked, my West meteorite found on a grave is not for sale as
Hi Phil:
I have for some time tried to avoid the silver hammer, but if I had a
hammer, I'd hammer in the morning, etc.
Oh: I'd rather be a hammer than a nail: El Condor Pasa
Larry
Greetings:
Don't know about y'all, but I'd rather be a hammer than a nail, yes I
would.
I can't think of the
Ok, my updated totals of West, are 31 stones,
2,657 grams 20 found by myself and 11 purchased from locals.
Please do not count the Jim Baxter stone seperately, as I have that in my
totals.
Shauna russel found 3 stones 65 grams, 14 grams and 23 grams.
Derek Bowers found 10 stones, 232 grams
Rather be a hammer than a nail...
from El Condor Pasa by Paul Simon,
not a Rogers and Hammerstein show tune...
Armand Hammer (1898-1990) was Chairman
of Occidental Petroleum and the only man to
ever be a personal friend of both Vladimir Lenin
AND Ronald Reagan. And, briefly, he did own
the Arm
we must get this under control
What is this, Germany!?
Get a grip!
some say tomato some say tomato (guess they
Are spelled the same way.
Michael
Yes, Germany! Everything unter Kontrolle right now! :-)
Got that grip, just at this very moment,
Alex
Thanks Herman
A bit frustrated there wasn't much answers yet to some posts
especially about Iridium detection etc... and subsequently,
listers feedbacks on XRF devices for Ir or Osmium measuring
But with the more than understandable West craze and the highly
disputed Hammer meaning... :)
Good
Thanks Dave
You saw... I got a warm but also hot welcome :)
A bientot
Michael B, France
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From: Dave Gheesling d...@fallingrocks.com
To: 'Michael Bross' elemen...@peconic.net; cyna...@charter.net;
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009
Dear List Members,
There was a request to see photos of the West House Hitting stone, the
illusive 124g stone. Here is a link to just the stone clearly showing the
damage to the crust from the composite roof shingle:
http://www.lunarrock.com/west/West124gHouseHitter.jpg
Enjoy!
Hello All,
Here is a photo I captured during the hunt, is it a Truck Smasher?
http://www.lunarrock.com/west/TruckSmasher.jpg
Have fun!
Greg
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Mike All,
Perhaps another simple way to look at this issue is this:
1) just tell the actual story and let it stand on its own merits,
2) call it a hammer or whatever else you like, but
3) make it ABSOLUTELY CRYSTAL CLEAR whether the actual specimen for sale did
whatever hitting that was
It's the song about love between my brothers and my sisters all over this
land [...that´s from the last verse]
Pete Seeger said it right, wouldn´t you agree?
Alex
Berlin/Germany
PS: pls don´t anybody ever believe that in Germany everything is under
control! - we are far from that, and those
Nice! :)
Regards,
Eric
Greg Hupe wrote:
Hello All,
Here is a photo I captured during the hunt, is it a Truck Smasher?
http://www.lunarrock.com/west/TruckSmasher.jpg
Have fun!
Greg
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You didn't get much response Mike... a kind of Hammer :)
(boy... can't believe how many Mike/Michael we are on this forum)
Nobody interested by that Staten Island story ?
An article in NYTimes, not saying much more
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/nyregion/18boom.html?_r=1ref=nyregion
Good
One must either be the hammer or the anvil. German proverb
Peter
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Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:09 PM
To:
Michael, list
Sorry List in advance for this .
Have you ever heard the word provenance???
It is used to establish history of a particular object. When used correctly it
describes where a thing has been or where it came from. It is not only a tactic
used by used car salesmen but it is
WOW,
Provenance, freshest Carancas, yeah, I got there a day later, so mine must be
all messed up. I recall you wanted me to sell Carancas at $1000 gram and
thought it was a CH chondrite.
Dude, you were asking for this. Say what you like, I have been doing this for
more than a decade so I
I have to agree with Mike. Use common sense, cut the crap definitions
and stop trying to up-sell the public with bogus hammer claims. Leave
the defining to the person who first used the term hammer.
If I offend anyone with these remarks I invite your wrath with open
arms. Most people I'm sure
Hello,
Thousands of $$$ worth of Meteorites in Auction This Week! All
started at 0.99 cents. More West Specimens have been added-
some beautiful slices and individuals. Also, a 25% off sale
which ends Weds Night. This is in my ebay store. PLEASE NOTE.
I am Heading Back
Eric, I don't know what you agree with but I sell with 100% honesty. I have no
west to sell. I do not see how it serves Mike Farmer to rant like this. I am
(was) a good customer of his. I have many meteorites from him. I think he must
be crazy. Like you said . you are not stupid. You are not
Eric, I don't know what you agree with but I sell with 100% honesty. I have no
west to sell. I do not see how it serves Mike Farmer to rant like this. I am
(was) a good customer of his. I have many meteorites from him. I think he must
be crazy. Like you said . you are not stupid. You are not
Hmmm... You make your own case, and change directions on a whim.
...Like you said . you are not stupid. You are not going to buy into this Hammer
crap. Good for you. I don't either...
Don't put words in my mouth Carl... Don't pretend to know me or explain
what I meant. And certainly don't try
oopsy... I used the singular instead of the plural. Sorry about that
there mistake guys... ;)
It should have said salesmen and not salesman!
Regards,
Eric
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Hi List
I am coming like hair in the soup... about Carancas, seeing the just
recent exchanges :)
but following the post about Staten Island today I did some search on
NYTimes website
and got to this article from 2007 in the first 10 hits:
Farmer, This seems to be your big problem. You just cannot have a conversation
about anything without taking it personal and flying off the handle.. We have
been discussing Hammers and most of the time I referred to Blood for a ruling.
That is all. Blood invented the thing so I felt he should
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html
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My name is Michael.
I did not attack Bob I called you out, not an attack, a point of fact. Please
point out where I did said anything bad about Bob? You are ignoring the
questions I asked and making crap up now.
Michael blood invented nothing, I did not know that Blood appeared and invented
Can't agree more with you post Martin !
Cheers
Michael B, France
PS: Journalism is nowadays much too often sensionalist...
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Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:29 PM
Subject:
G'Day List
Well, here we go again. After the last episode and my last post, my PC
crashed. So I was not going to get involved in this once upon a time thing
or even a child's book. I wish all would leave the terminology where it
belongs.. with the carpenters and construction workers, I don't
That's what we need, MORE FUN! Less arguing!
Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
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--- On Wed, 3/18/09, John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote:
From:
To All Who Love Great Deals:
Ending tomorrow afternoon (Thursday, March 19th), I have an assortment of
eBay auctions that will conclude with awesome 'hammer' prices! All started
at just 99 cents, and can be seen by clicking here:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
Here are some
Hi Geoff Notkin and List!
Is there any update on what happened to the 3-part TV series
Cosmic Collisions ? Discovery Channel aired one part, but then
nothing else - unless I went into a coma and missed it. I really
wanted to see the episode that focuses on meteorites. Does anyone
know if it
Hi List,
Regarding the controversy surrounding the definition of a hammer, I have a
thought to share.
Recently, someone Steve Arnold reported his dam meteorite, and this has led
to the inevitable
debate as to whether the stone qualifies as a hammer because the dam is a
man-made construct.
Hi List,
Another can of worms opened up here with the definition of a hammer.
First, whoever emailed Michael Blood and bashed his business
practices needs to have their head examined. I've done trades
and made purchases from Michael and can state that he is a first
class guy. Michael's only
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