[meteorite-list] How The Earth Was Made:The Great Lakes--Shattercone?

2009-03-25 Thread Mr EMan
Nice series but they take a few minor liberties with accuracy to explain some things. Towards the last 20 minutes when the tall, white-haired older scientist starts talking about the depth of Lake Superior...Well right around the time he is going to take a submersible down to the floor some 13,

[meteorite-list] [AD] 9.7 Gram West for sale or trade? And a few others...

2009-03-25 Thread Bill Hall
I have a 9.7 gram West to sell or part trade for ? Lunar, martian, carbonatious , best offer... I also have a 5.8 kilo Muonionalusta I would like to sell for .20 gram = $1160 or part trade for? I also have a really nice flawless 12 kilo oriented chondrite available. Not sure what its worth as I'v

[meteorite-list] Kennett Talk and NOVA special on Younger Dryas Impacts

2009-03-25 Thread Paul
E.P. Grondine mentioned the below NOVA Special in his post, “[meteorite-list] NOVA special on Holocene Start Impacts and AD”. PBS Program to Feature Two UMaine Scientists, March 23, 2009 http://www.umaine.edu/news/view_release.php?x=1237809989 Dr. Kennett gave a talk, which included a lot of res

Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Second Batch of West Full Slices In

2009-03-25 Thread John.L.Cabassi
G'Day Steve I'll take the 2.9gram that you listed for $50. First one on Page 2 http://s361.photobucket.com/albums/oo52/stevearnoldpmh/?start=20 Cheers John - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Second Batch of West Full S

[meteorite-list] more add on's to sale

2009-03-25 Thread steve arnold
Hello again list.I want to thank the people who have bought some items so far.I added another page of some very nice items.I also lowerd the price on a few of the items.Still alot of nice pieces to be had.chicagometeorites.net/ is the URL.   Steve Arnold,Chicago! _

[meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Meteorites USA
A week or so ago I asked a question about what a meteoroid would look like floating through space. More specifically I wanted to know what color a meteoroid might be "before" it actually hit Earth. Here's another question. How many beautifully black and fully fusion crusted meteoroids and ast

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread GeoZay
>>How many beautifully black and fully fusion crusted meteoroids and asteroids are floating around out there in space?<< My guess is that there may be a lot of black meteoroids floating around in space, but very few that are fusion crusted. To be fusion crusted, I would imagine there would

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread lebofsky
Hi Eric: A quick response to this: 1. Black, yes. Many asteroids are dark (reflect less than 10% of the light that reaches them). This may be due to shock (black chondrites) or due to the presence of carbon as in the carbonaceous chondrites (or comets for that matter). 2. However, to the best of

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Meteorites USA
Is that your final answer? :) Sean T. Murray wrote: Wouldn't that be zero? Since the crust is formed when it is pushing through the atmosphere? I would imagine the ones out there are simply dusty and dull. - Original Message - From: "Meteorites USA" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 2

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:21:58 -0700, you wrote: >How many beautifully black and fully fusion crusted meteoroids and >asteroids are floating around out there in space? A fusion crust is formed by the rapid melting and rapid resolidifying of the meteoroid, caused by heat generated by a meteoroid pa

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Meteorites USA
Hmmm... ;) lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: Hi Eric: A quick response to this: 1. Black, yes. Many asteroids are dark (reflect less than 10% of the light that reaches them). This may be due to shock (black chondrites) or due to the presence of carbon as in the carbonaceous chondrites (or comet

[meteorite-list] Cumberland Falls + KILLER PARK FOREST ON EBAY

2009-03-25 Thread mckinney trammell
i have listed my 10.8 g cumberland falls on ebay + my 18.5 g PARK FOREST. PLEASE NOTE: THE PARK FOREST OMES WITH A MINT POSTER + A 50+ MINIT DVD VIDEO OF IT COMING IN! YOU GET ALL 3 ITEMS-THE ROCK, THE POSTER, THE DVD. CHECK IT OUT HERE! http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpaleoasisQQhtZ-1

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Meteorite-Recon.com
Space weathering due to impingement by micrometeoroids and solar wind particles is another important factor modifying an asteroid's reflectance spectrum. In many cases more recent impacts on asteoids appear brighter than weathered portions. Svend www.meteorite-recon.com Hmmm... ;) lebof.

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Meteorites USA
How about millions? Possible? Eric Sean T. Murray wrote: After what I just read - I think near zero is a better answer - I like the idea of meteors skipping through atmospheres and heading back into space. So there are more than likely a few floating around out there. But the vast majority

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Meteorites USA
Think of what causes fusion crust... geo...@aol.com wrote: How many beautifully black and fully fusion crusted meteoroids and asteroids are floating around out there in space?<< My guess is that there may be a lot of black meteoroids floating around in space, but very few that are

[meteorite-list] Re-2: Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread bernd . pauli
> How about millions? Possible? If there were millions or if there had been millions in near-earth orbits and if they had plunged through (part of) our atmosphere, we would see / mankind would have experienced many more highly spectacular light phenomena than we actually do / did. Bernd

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Meteorites USA
Yup it would be a guess, but doesn't science make guesses (hypotheses) based on data and knowledge gained from data? Having said that, I think it's safe to say there's more to it than meets the eye. Would you like to take a guess? Not that I know the answer ( I do not ). I'm simply provoking a

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Meteorites USA
Again, that would depend on your definition of small. When figured as a percentage of ALL meteoroids I would imagine that yes, logic would say that the number of fusion crusted meteoroids is small when compared to all the other meteoroids and asteroids out there. Since there are trillions upon

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:40:55 -0700, you wrote: >Yup it would be a guess, but doesn't science make guesses (hypotheses) >based on data and knowledge gained from data? You can make wild guesses, but when you aren't even sure of the order of magnitude of the factors in the equation and have no eas

[meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending on Saturday

2009-03-25 Thread Meteoriteshow
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread GeoZay
I have thought what causes a fusion crust, but to be brief, I didn't explain the obvious process of entry into an atmosphere and back out. To me, this "skipping out" of the atmosphere is a relatively rare event. Most of anything that enters the atmosphere in the first place burns up in the p

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Meteorites USA
Anyone remember this one? ;) THE GREAT DAYLIGHT FIREBALL OF 1972 This grazing of our atmosphere would cause fusion crust. This means that the Great Fireball is a meteoroid with fusion crust. Over Jackson Wyoming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It5EztnIdHc Over Canada: http://www.youtube.com/w

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Chris Peterson
Keep in mind during any analysis that small meteoroids are not in stable orbits, and do not persist forever in the Solar System. There are drag processes that produce a continual inflow of small objects towards (and ultimately into) the Sun, and small objects (especially in planet crossing orbi

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Meteorites USA
Good points on the production and destruction rates. Do we know how many meteoroids crash into the Sun or other planets? The moon is a good example to look for a number of impacting meteoroids, but it doesn't say how many will graze any given planet though. Unless of course you're able to figu

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread cdtucson
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272212,00.html Eric thank you. This is a point I tried to make a week or so ago. Someone commented that there is a lot of guessing??? That is the understatement of the year. Most of our scientific knowledge in this hobby is based on Guesses. We simply have

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Meteorites USA
I agree with you, but isn't that assuming that all things are equal across the globe? They are not... Humans experience fieballs and meteors based on what? Witnessing an event. How much land area do humans actually occupy in relation to unpopulated areas, oceans, seas, lakes, and other large b

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Mr EMan
A Caveat is we don't know how many are captured to finally disintegrate, how many are consumed by the sun, and how many are slung from the solar system via gravity assist. On the other hand...18,379,846.7 Angels can dance on the head of a pin but not all at once. This represents the erosion

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:39:27 -0700, you wrote: >Further when you look up into space there are a >gazzillion sources of crust producing bodies. No, there are not. There is a very small number, definable as the number of planets and moons with an appreciable atmosphere. Are you suggesting that

[meteorite-list] Cumberland falls + park forest & DVD on ebay

2009-03-25 Thread mckinney trammell
i have a my super 10.7 g cumberland falls aubrite on ebay. i also have a 18.5 g park forest on ebay with a mint condition poster + a 50+minit DVD of it coming in; http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpaleoasisQQhtZ-1 __ http://www.meteoritecentra

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Meteorites USA
Not to sound silly or anything, but there are meteorites with NO fusion crust? Assuming of course you're not talking about very weathered specimens, are you telling me there are freshly fallen meteorites that have NO fusion crust at all? How is that possible? I can see a weathered stone or iro

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Chris Peterson
In fact, I think we have a fairly good idea about the rate of meteoroids intersecting the Earth. The rate of sporadic meteor activity is well known (this is an area of research I'm involved in), and a power law that describes size versus rate has also been established. There are a number of pap

[meteorite-list] Fwd: Re: Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread cdtucson
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:49:25 -0700 > From: > To: cyna...@charter.net > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids" > > DARREN, > THERE YOU GO AGAIN RAMBLEING WITH YOUR WORTHLESS AND SARCASTIC INFORMATION. > Darren Garrison wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:39:27 -0700

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Chris Peterson
There are not many potential crust forming bodies- a few dozen at most. Neither is there a lot of meteoroid material whizzing around. Meteoroids come from two populations: comets and the asteroid belt. Earth-crossing cometary material is short lived, decaying into the Sun in just thousands of y

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Chris Peterson
The variation in fireball rate with time of year and geographical position is well described. Recent observational data is not dependent on direct human observations, but can be accurately quantified from instrumental data. For instance, I have years worth of nightly allsky records covering Col

[meteorite-list] Auctions Ending - GiveAway Prices

2009-03-25 Thread Greg Hupe
Dear List Members, Starting in about one hour, I have about 35 meteorite auctions ending at Give-Away prices, many still at just 99 cents!! Lunar, Martian, Angrite, different Diogenites, too many to mention here. Seems like summer time bidding... The bidders may be a bit slow, but if you are

[meteorite-list] Astronomers catch a shooting star

2009-03-25 Thread Jim Strope
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_sc/sci_asteroid_match Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread cdtucson
CHRIS , WITH ALL DUE RESPECT HERE; Chris Peterson wrote: > There are not many potential crust forming bodies- a few dozen at most. TO ME A FEW SOUNDS LIKE A GUESS! > Neither is there a lot of meteoroid material whizzing around. Meteoroids > come from two populations: comets and the asteroi

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:49:25 -0700, you wrote: >THERE YOU GO AGAIN RAMBLEING WITH YOUR WORTHLESS AND SARCASTIC INFORMATION. I am well aware that you are far beyond help-- I reply to your rants only to provide information for people who are willing to learn. >OTHER PLANETS NOT STARS. YOU SIMPLY

Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

2009-03-25 Thread Chris Peterson
There are not many potential crust forming bodies- a few dozen at most. TO ME A FEW SOUNDS LIKE A GUESS! The number of Solar System bodies with atmospheres (which is what you need in order for a grazing meteoroid to form a fusion crust) is well known- a few planets and moons. This is not a gu

Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Second Batch of West Full Slices In

2009-03-25 Thread John.L.Cabassi
G'Day Grant NO . I forgot to put a smillie after it. I was having a joke with Steve on his $50 Typo Sorry Steve Cheers John - Original Message - From: "Grant Elliott" To: "John.L.Cabassi" Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Second Batch of Wes

[meteorite-list] 2008 TC3-- ureilite

2009-03-25 Thread Darren Garrison
Wow. http://news.google.com/news?um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=2008+TC3+ureilite&cf=all&scoring=n __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

[meteorite-list] One of the best of the 2008 TC3 articles

2009-03-25 Thread Darren Garrison
Okay, this needs to go on that list from a few days ago of "most important meteorites." http://www.livescience.com/space/090325-asteroid-meteorites.html Space 'Rosetta Stone' Unlike Anything Seen Before By Andrea Thompson, Senior Writer posted: 25 March 2009 02:00 pm ET Meteorite fragments of

[meteorite-list] AD-Last 2 West slices

2009-03-25 Thread mail
I have two very nice slices of West TX remaining. Both have beautiful brecciation and crust. Price is 60/g post paid. Here are the weights and pics: 4.3 grams, $258.00 http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_4-3.jpg 4.7 grams, $282.00 http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_4-7.jpg Thanks, M

Re: [meteorite-list] 2008 TC3-- ureilite

2009-03-25 Thread bernd . pauli
Hi Darren and List. "According his (= Dr Rumble) analysis, 2008 TC3 falls into a category of very rare meteorites called ureilites, all of which may have originally come from the same parent body." "Lead author Dr Jenniskens said: "This asteroid was made of a particularly fragile material..."

Re: [meteorite-list] One of the best of the 2008 TC3 articles

2009-03-25 Thread GeoZay
Are there any signs of a pre entry fusion crust? Just Kidding. :O) GeoZay **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) __ http://www.meteoritecentr

[meteorite-list] 2008 TC3-- ureilite => fragile

2009-03-25 Thread bernd . pauli
Hi All, Just got this from Rob (Matson): 'Hi Bernd, Please feel free to forward to the list for me. I've never agreed with the "fragile" comments regarding 2008 TC3. It was not, for instance, a rubble pile asteroid. It couldn't have been, since its spin rate was one of the highest measured, whi

Re: [meteorite-list] 2008 TC3-- ureilite

2009-03-25 Thread Dark Matter
Hi Bernd, At the press conference, it sounded like this particular stone was fairly high in porosity (upwards of 40% of however such things are measured) which in turn led it to easily break up into pieces of which the largest found was 280g. Not necessarily that it would crumble in your hands lik

[meteorite-list] Astronomers catch a shooting star for 1st time - Yahoo! News

2009-03-25 Thread Jerry A. Wallace
For what it's worth: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_sc/sci_asteroid_match <http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/NASA/photo//090325/481/c461e8c1701c49619796a4a26bea61a0//s:/ap/20090325/ap_on_sc/sci_asteroid_match>AP – This December 2008 photo, released by NASA, shows a black chu

Re: [meteorite-list] One of the best of the 2008 TC3 articles

2009-03-25 Thread lebofsky
Hi everone: As someone who has studied asteroids, this is great news. Only two comments: 1. I am a little concerned with the classification of the "asteroid" as F. The spectral range is not perfect and I wonder what the uncertainty of the spectrum is (might be very poor quality at the longer wav

Re: [meteorite-list] 2008 TC3-- ureilite => fragile

2009-03-25 Thread lebofsky
Hi Again: Not reading emails in order and falling behind: TC3 had the 4th highest spin rate of any observed asteroid. It was (I think I said this to the list before), a solid chunk of rock (unless it had static cling). Larry > Hi All, > > Just got this from Rob (Matson): > > 'Hi Bernd, Please f

[meteorite-list] First Meteorites Recovered on Earth from an Asteroid Tracked in Space (2008 TC3)

2009-03-25 Thread Ron Baalke
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=asteroid-meteorite-sudan-fireball Rock Science: First Meteorites Recovered on Earth from an Asteroid Tracked in Space Fragments in the Sudanese desert make up an "asteroid trifecta": discovery, prediction and recovery By John Matson Scientific American Marc

[meteorite-list] Article "Meteorite hunters 'strike gold' in Sudan"

2009-03-25 Thread dave carothers
Some of you might be interested in the article at: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16843-meteorite-hunters-strike-gold-in-sudan.html Regards, Dave __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.

[meteorite-list] final pieces to this sale puzzle

2009-03-25 Thread steve arnold
Hi again list.Last email on this sale.I am at $2 K in sales so far.I added 10 more meteorites to the sale and condenced it to 2 pages again.Also what ever does not sell will then remain here.But just to get your appetite wet,and just a thought so far,I might even bring a few pieces from my othe

Re: [meteorite-list] final pieces to this sale puzzle

2009-03-25 Thread Adam Hupe
Hi Steve Arnold number one, I see we have two Steve Arnold number ones now. How will you tell you two apart? I am just joking about your updated sigh-off " Steve R.Arnold No#1!,Chicago!" Good luck on your new found interests. Best Regards, Adam Hupe #1 --- On Wed, 3/25/09, steve arnold

Re: [meteorite-list] final pieces to this sale puzzle

2009-03-25 Thread John.L.Cabassi
G'Day Adam Now that was funny. But in all due respect and in defense of Steve Arnold #1 Chicago, he's been around for a long time and sure he's added something to everybody's day, but I believe he was genuine in his heart. He copped alot of rebuttals and inuendos, but he continued to hold his

Re: [meteorite-list] final pieces to this sale puzzle

2009-03-25 Thread dave carothers
Having been on the list for several years, there's always been a big distinction between the two Steve Arnolds. I for one will always remember Steve Arnold (Chicago) as #2. Best of luck in all your future endeavors, Steve. Dave - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" To: "Adam" Sen

Re: [meteorite-list] final pieces to this sale puzzle

2009-03-25 Thread Michael Blood
Hi John, Adam & all, Where is Proud Tom when we need him??? Michael > From: "John.L.Cabassi" > Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:12:07 -0700 > To: Meteorite List , Adam Hupe > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] final pieces to this sale puzzle > > G'Day Adam > Now that was funny. > > B

[meteorite-list] Proud Tom - Where R U?

2009-03-25 Thread Greg Hupe
Hi Michael, Now, that is who we need, a good series of Proud Tom appearances. I miss his antics!! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions:

Re: [meteorite-list] Kennett Talk and NOVA special on Younger Dryas Impacts Question?

2009-03-25 Thread Steve Dunklee
If a c chondrite or comet with considerable amount of carbon exploded over the polar ice sheet , could it create the nano diamonds without leaving behind a crater? as in an ice crater that melted? or was the land bridge in the Bearing Straits really an ice bridge? and was Northwest Africa made