It would be nice though, to be able to take something marked up with
geo and have it generate KML and get handed off to Google Earth or to
have it open up Google Maps (with the web-app content handler stuff in
the WHATWG webapp proposal).
-Colin
On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Mike Kaply wrot
On Jun 5, 2007, at 11:46 PM, Paul Wilkins wrote:
There's no need to guess.
There were many issues and problems with hyperlinks when they were
first used, and information about this is fully available in great
detail.
The following extract is by Jakob Nielsen from 1988
Architectural Compon
On Jun 5, 2007, at 10:57 PM, Paul Wilkins wrote:
Strictly speaking it isn't MMN because navigation itself isn't
involved. The problems surrounding the cursor change though are
identical. If it is the only mechanism to find microformat content,
it won't be found until someone chances across
On May 28, 2007, at 1:49 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
Hmm. I think Maciej does have a strong point about interoperability
here. Removing the quotation punctuation with CSS does not help
those with user-designated styles or UAs that ignore such CSS: e.g.
text browsers and screen readers
On Apr 1, 2007, at 3:03 PM, John wrote:
But how would a spider know that a XOXO list that it retrieves is a
wishlist?
Paul Kinlan wrote:
Hi,
I was under the impression that XOXO would be good enough for this.
This simple nature of the html "ol" and "li" tags cover the semantics
of the ord
I'd just like to pop into the thread briefly and remind people to take
a look at what markup and best practices already exist in the wild. We
don't want to wander off into purely theoretical land here ;)
Perhaps seeing how a number of the major résumé hosting sites
(Monster.com? LinkedIn?)
While reading through the mess about authoritative/more complete
hCards, I wondered if using/extending the existing include
"micropattern" would be a smart move.
@data looks to already be a URI ("#j" is the URI given in the example
on the include-pattern page).
Thoughts?
-Colin
_
On Feb 9, 2007, at 3:49 PM, Ryan King wrote:
Secondly, UID is supposed to be a "globally unique identifier", so
something like a student id wouldn't qualify.
If you're aiming for a globally unique identifier, why not just create
a UUID[1], I say sarcastically.
-Colin
[1] http://www.famkr
On Feb 4, 2007, at 2:45 AM, David Janes wrote:
On 2/4/07, Colin Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Indeed, it seems the "me" attribute from xfn may not be entirely
desirable.
Is it even needed for a "master"/authoritative hCards to recognize
their children?
-Coli
On Feb 2, 2007, at 2:57 PM, Ara Pehlivanian wrote:
On 2/1/07, John Allsopp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
use case - sure - for example, at our conference sites, we markup
speakers with hCard, and this often includes a link to their blog
etc. In this case, a link to an authoritative (or perhaps, to
On Feb 1, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Charles Roper wrote:
What does the community feel should be the focus for species at
present? Now that I know that the analysis of existing practice is
about the existing *content* rather than existing *markup*,
That's not entirely true. Existing markup plays a lar
On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote:
And to say that the community had a say in Tantek's
action is about as valid as saying the American public had a say in
George Bush's recent troop increase.
You are treading dangerously close to invoking Godwin's Law[1] here,
and a number of ot
On Jan 31, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Sam Sethi wrote:
Personally I hope XMPP becomes the interoperable standard for
presence and
then we an build apps on top of this? Twitter, Gmail and Joost are
all using
XMPP and this potentially will allow me to set my presence, mood and
status
in one app and h
On Jan 31, 2007, at 6:59 AM, Scott Reynen wrote:
On Jan 31, 2007, at 6:00 AM, Colin Barrett wrote:
On Jan 30, 2007, at 7:55 AM, Ciaran McNulty wrote:
On 1/30/07, anders conbere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would consider the rss and atom tools be not in accordance with
the
(x)html
On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Charles Roper wrote:
> I also wanted to ask about the fundamental microformat principle of
> "paving the cowpaths" in relation to hCard. It seems to me that
hCard
> was derived from vCard rather than being based on existing markup
> practice. How does this square
On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Edward Summers wrote:
On Jan 31, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Michael McCracken wrote:
If we use @lang, doesn't that mean we're specifying the language of
the words in the hCite element, but not necessarily the language of
the thing we're citing?
Practically aren't these th
On Jan 31, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Ben Ward wrote:
My understanding therefore, is that @rel=me indicates that it is the
same person. @rel=self indicates that it is the same hcard.
Therefore the absolute authoritative hcard we speak of may (I expect
will) contain other links with @rel=me but will
On Jan 31, 2007, at 4:34 AM, Ben Ward wrote:
On 31 Jan 2007, at 12:08, Colin Barrett wrote:
Can I get a clearer idea of what exactly is people are +1-ing? I +1
@rel="self me", but am not willing to give my vote yet on using
, as it's not entirely clear if we're talking
On Jan 31, 2007, at 3:46 AM, Frances Berriman wrote:
On 31/01/07, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chris Messina:
>>
>> http://factoryjoe.com/blog/hcard/#hcard";
class="fn
>> url" rel="me self">Chris Messina
>> Citizen Agency
>> ...
>>
>>
John Allsopp:
> The "definition" of the se
On Jan 30, 2007, at 7:55 AM, Ciaran McNulty wrote:
On 1/30/07, anders conbere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would consider the rss and atom tools be not in accordance with the
(x)html specs on this one. And I believe that muddying the code with
non-semantic tags makes is much more difficult to
On Jan 29, 2007, at 1:26 PM, anders conbere wrote:
I'm having a difficult time getting dialog started on this, there have
been some suggestions that hReview or hProduct might be better formats
for this, and that with a little work the data presented in most
code-samples on line might be manipula
On Jan 27, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Scott Reynen wrote:
On Jan 27, 2007, at 12:01 AM, Colin Barrett wrote:
What *would* be useful would be some way to mark up where you are
writing a blog entry / news item, etc, from or about. Perhaps hCal
has the right semantics for this? ("on date X at t
On Jan 26, 2007, at 2:40 AM, Goix Laurent Walter wrote:
Hi,
Is there any plan/interest to work on a hMood or hPresence microformat
that could describe information related to the mood or the activity
of a
person/group? Bloggers typically express their feelings over the
web, or
what they have
On Jan 24, 2007, at 7:30 PM, anders conbere wrote:
All over the web there are code snippets and code examples, and just
plain people showing of little programs they've written. This data is
typical acompanied by an author or list of authors, a lisence, the
language type and version and various
On Jan 12, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Michael McCracken wrote:
PS, why the 'h' - is it an upside-down µ, or does it stand for 'html'?
There was a post on this earlier, but basically the h has become the
de facto standard for naming microformats. hCard was "html vCard". If
you'll notice, some of the
On Jan 4, 2007, at 12:33 AM, Joe Andrieu wrote:
Tantek, there is no governance for uF other than by cabal
IMO, that is the way it should be. You don't put new hires on your
company's steering committee, and the House doesn't approve
presidential appointments, the Senate does -- in fact, th
On Jan 3, 2007, at 5:11 PM, Christopher St John wrote:
On 1/3/07, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 1/3/07 5:07 PM, "Joe Andrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For the record, I do object.
Joe, thanks very much for your input. You are the only person (in
email or
IRC) who has obje
On Jan 1, 2007, at 7:29 AM, Ciaran McNulty wrote:
On 1/1/07, Colin Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Jan 1, 2007, at 5:51 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> I thought tagging was for tagging the current page, not labelling a
> link
> to a second page.
It could be expanded to incl
On Jan 1, 2007, at 5:51 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
I thought tagging was for tagging the current page, not labelling a
link
to a second page.
It could be expanded to include links? -- I don't know a whole lot
about it, it was suggested in the discussion I had with someone where
it was point
On Jan 1, 2007, at 2:18 AM, Ben Buchanan wrote:
I'm not immediately convinced that it isn't it a relationship. NSFW
would formalise the fact that document A:
1) contains a link to document B
2) document A's author considers document B "not safe for work" by
their own standards
This isn't a rel
On Dec 31, 2006, at 2:58 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
Lately I've been using a lot of footnotes on my blog, and footnotes
seem to
be the perfect type of thing for a microformat. I googled prior
discussions
but those discussions referenced several uses but didn't go
anywhere. Some
people poin
On Dec 29, 2006, at 8:56 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chris Casciano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
many people are publishing "NSFW" warnings. So vague as it may
be,
it's apparently communicating something useful on the live web
today.
That's "something useful in
On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:04 PM, Ben Buchanan wrote:
practice, almost no one is publishing ratings with links, and many
people are publishing "NSFW" warnings. So vague as it may be, it's
apparently communicating something useful on the live web today.
I don't think it is actually as vague as peo
As long as Unicode is used end-to-end, I don't think there would be
any problems. I encourage parsers to support Unicode and to advocate
the use of Unicode (UTF8, primarily) in our documentation.
-Colin
On Dec 22, 2006, at 5:59 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
So far as I am aware, all the example
On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Colin
Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
I've just been introducing a colleague to the concept of
hCalendar; and
referred her to:
http://microformats.org/wiki/hCalendar
She was baffled;
On Nov 13, 2006, at 1:28 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andy Mabbett
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andy Mabbett
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
I've just been introducing a colleague to the concept of
hCalendar; and
referred her to:
On Nov 8, 2006, at 12:53 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike
Schinkel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
there has been no related-guidance prior to this email. As sich I do
not appreciate being chastized in a public forum for voilating your
choice of how you would like thi
Perhaps we could trademark "µformat" (greek-letter-mu format) and say
that the term "microformat" is just an expansion / alternate name for
it. I don't even know if that would work, IANAL.
-Colin
On Nov 6, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
Ouch. Sounds like a trademark fight might occ
On Nov 2, 2006, at 3:37 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
Colin Barrett>> I don't like forums because I have to go to a website
Colin Barrett>> to use them.
And I *far* prefer using a forum over a mailing list. The only
reason I'm on
this mailing list is because my in
hey will just happen, the outcome of which will be dictated by
an action (or set of rules). It is this sort of 'action' that I'm
trying to get at.
On 11/2/06, Colin Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How would such a meeting occur? It seems to me like this would only
happ
How would such a meeting occur? It seems to me like this would only
happen when an end user cross references hJobs and hResumes.
Plus, the idea of hJobs floating out there searching for hResumes to
email sounds really, really freaky :D
-Colin
On Nov 2, 2006, at 12:07 AM, Joel Selvadurai wr
On Oct 31, 2006, at 4:53 PM, John Allsopp wrote:
Andy,
On 01/11/2006, at 9:04 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
That may be technically possible, but it's not going to appeal to the
people I referred to in my earlier post:
For example, several academic and professional taxonomists
have
On Oct 30, 2006, at 5:03 AM, fantasai wrote:
Stephen Paul Weber wrote:
Well, as I did when we first spoke months ago, I firmly disagree,
and
over time, I think you will be proven wrong. There's simply no point
in having multiple instantiations of the same data in a text-based
format (I'm exem
On Oct 30, 2006, at 4:33 AM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote:
Currently, I can't name a single IM client that uses semanticful HTML
for logging. In fact, there's been a trend *away* from HTML lately.
Microformats are supposed to represent what exists in the wild, no?
Whatever the validity of Chris's p
On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:48 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
I've got a question about this. To say IE8 will support Microsformats
doesn't make sense to me, unless they means it will support the
Microformats
agreed to at the point IE8 is made feature complete. But what about
those
that come after?
On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:40 AM, B.K. DeLong wrote:
and don't forget the plausibility of creating XSLTs to convert the XML
into whatever-the-heck-you-want for storage. ;)
A good point, although I'm not sure why you'd want to think about that
when creating a standard. XSLT to go from one format t
On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:48 AM, Christopher St John wrote:
On 10/30/06, Colin Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think the chat group should alter its focus to providing ways to
semantically talk about the structure of a chat and a particular
message entry. One of the most obvious benef
be targeted (and adjusted)
for different messaging contexts: IM, word document, blog post, email,
or simultaneous combinations context.
Very interesting stuff! Could you hook me up with URLs to those? It
sound like you have a lot of interesting stuff to offer to the group
in general.
-Colin
[1] http://quicksilver.
On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:20 AM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote:
Well, as I did when we first spoke months ago, I firmly disagree, and
over time, I think you will be proven wrong. There's simply no point
in having multiple instantiations of the same data in a text-based
format (I'm exempting relational da
These are a few of the basic assumptions that I work under. I would be
very happy if you would discount them, one at a time. ;)
Hopefully I've done a satisfactory job. Anyone else can feel free to
jump in, btw.
-Colin
On 10/29/06, Colin Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Particular
been something that's plagued us for a while. I'm also one of the
primary authors of an XML based log format that's been adopted by
Adium, Gaim and Kopete.
--
Colin Barrett
Developer, Adium
http://adiumx.com
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On Oct 26, 2006, at 8:04 AM, Ben Ward wrote:
On 26 Oct 2006, at 18:35, Colin Barrett wrote:
On Oct 26, 2006, at 7:25 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ciaran
McNulty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
@rel=bookmark
I've seen several people refer to su
On Oct 26, 2006, at 7:28 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dr.
Ernie Prabhakar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
As long as you don't call it a microformat, feel free to experiment.
:-)
Why shouldn't he call it a microformat?
Because it hasn't gone through the (fairly rig
On Oct 26, 2006, at 7:25 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ciaran
McNulty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
@rel=bookmark
I've seen several people refer to such things with an opening "@" -
what
does it mean?
I'm not sure on the etymology, but they're referring to attrib
On Oct 23, 2006, at 1:34 AM, Ben Ward wrote:
Good morning List,
I have a quick question about include pattern usage and visible
data. A while ago I was playing around with drafting something for
the hChatLog effort (I haven't got anywhere yet, really) but will
use it as an example, since
On Oct 21, 2006, at 8:45 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
What are your reasons for not wanting a page on each property?
1) More pages to maintain. I'm fairly sure that there will be some rot
-- there are a lot of properties! Plus, I don't know if other people
authoring the specs want to maintain t
mIRC is practically free. I don't think it will shut down or anything
if you don't register it. It's not that great, but it is used by a lot
of people.
Xchat is okay, and totally free.
I don't know if it's still around but there used to be an IRC client
called pIRCh.
Of course, there's als
As someone who's helped set up and determine mailing list policy, it's
MUCH easier to have as few lists as possible. I think the idea of a
"newbie" list is good, but everything else is really relevant to
everyone involved. When creating new mailing lists, a good question to
ask is: "How man
On Oct 9, 2006, at 2:02 PM, Karl Dubost wrote:
- How many common public softwares (downloadable from a Web page) do
MD5 or SHA?
I can go dig up some URLs and post them on the wiki, if need be
(although I think some of the obvious ones like SourceForge are
already on there and do provide
On Oct 5, 2006, at 10:19 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote:
Chris Messina wrote:
This kind of delves into the "authoritative standards"
doesn't it? And how do you keep up with an ever-growing
repository of microformats?
Obviously it can be done -- and it's something that we need,
especially if we're to g
On Oct 3, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
Your pedantry is becoming quite grating.
Someone once wrote that "'Pedant' is what people who care about
accuracy
are called, by people who don't" Don't you think that pedantry is
important, when considering matters relating to specification
On Oct 3, 2006, at 9:17 AM, Guillaume Lebleu wrote:
Let me know what you think. I'll put this on the wiki later.
The presence of UNECE codes for various units is encouraging. This
proposal is shaping up nicely. Could you think of other "client" uses
for just the measurement format? Alread
On Sep 26, 2006, at 11:59 PM, brian suda wrote:
As for creating accounts. You UserName has to be CamelCase[1], there
should be a note about it on the sign-up page, it is on the FAQs, *Any
Suggestions about how to make it more visible* are certainly welcome?
Mine isn't. It's Colin_Barrett. Is t
On Oct 2, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ryan
King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
Who can edit the sign-on
page?
I can.
I've updated it to read: "Your user name (it must be a WikiWord)"
Thank you. but I'm not sure that "WikiWord" will mean anything,
On Oct 2, 2006, at 10:13 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Colin
Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
On Oct 2, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin
Marks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
Andy, you're mis
On Oct 2, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin
Marks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
Andy, you're missing the point.
No, I'm not.
If
If
That's not a point, that's a conditional conjecture.
We don't
Who don't?
Instead of criticizing the structur
On Oct 2, 2006, at 10:58 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
Or the capacity to describe a polygon...
I call the 80/20 rule into effect here. A radius is Good Enough. We
don't need to re-implement KML here.
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On Oct 2, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
indeed,
imagine next-generation desktop functionality where one could paste
metadata long with content
Mac OS X does that right now, actually. Which is (of course) the whole
idea behind the patent ;)
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On Oct 1, 2006, at 2:34 PM, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
http://lavalife.com.au/
http://www.rsvp.com.au/
http://match.com.au/
http://adultmatchmaker.com.au/
(Unfortunately, on some of those sites, you need to become a member
before you can see any profiles.)
Another few sites to try:
http://okcupid
On Oct 1, 2006, at 7:56 AM, Scott Reynen wrote:
I'd guess what happens is it doesn't work. By analogy, what happens
when communities go off and create their own dictionaries?
http://catb.org/jargon/
-Colin
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On Sep 24, 2006, at 10:01 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joe Andrieu
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
Andy,
Your political bias is
...in your imagination.
Andy, it seems to me that you've come increasingly more hostile to
members of this list in the past few days. May
On Sep 23, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Colin
Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
On Sep 23, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
"Human being" is a reference to a species, and should be marked up
as
such on any page
es a fairly unique way of identifying
something? Or are there collisions?
I think questions like those will help your case -- sending dozens of
links to this list will not.
--
Colin Barrett
Developer, Adium
http://adiumx.com
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l like I'm having to inform you of basics that you should already
know, Colin. A wiki is the product of a long series of edits, with
the end result the product of consensus reality. To say that anyone
can edit is irrelevant, since anyone can also undo or re-edit.
On 9/14/06, Colin Barrett
On Sep 14, 2006, at 1:59 PM, Lucas Gonze wrote:
I understand the process perfectly well, and even agree with aspects
of it. The wiki isn't open enough for my taste.
I have to admit, I'm a bit confused by that. How much more open can
you get than "anyone can edit"?
-Colin
_
Hah, I just have to applaud you for the title.
Dapper+microformats seems quite powerful. Keep up the good work :)
-Colin
On Aug 23, 2006, at 12:27 PM, Sebastian Küpers wrote:
It's done - we have now a simple microformats implementation in
Dapper.
And know what?
Does Tim Berners Lee's Blog
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