On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:54 AM, John Beales wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> I'm not sure where I'm supposed to post this, but it appears that the wiki's
> been vandalized. See these pages, (there may be more):
Thanks for the heads-up. I have removed the pages and blocked t
tion?
--- You will need to change your HTML to accomidate both a TYPE and
VALUE. You can see an example on the wiki here:
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#type_subproperty_values
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> Both of them say I didn't put an fn, but when I feed:
>
> test
>
> It works fine. Wh?
--- part of the problem might be that is an inline element.
So wrapping it around the which is block level, it might be
ignored in the parser and therefore you lose the class=
well?
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erson,
such as xoxo. That's a list of items, which could be an hCard.
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name: XYZ co.
- org-unit: washington branch
Maybe that's overloading the ORG maybe not. Groups haven't really been
discussed in a long time. I'm not sure if anyone is actively
publishing much with rel-group. Does anyone know more?
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represents Dr
> Perry Cox (representative hcard).
--- this isn't any different. To an hCard parse you'd get the same
result. Adding a class="card" won't do anything and rel="group" won't
get you anything connected to the representative hcard. Maybe i'm j
can't control what you declare about me.
> The example I had in mind was 'Subscribers list' at
> http://identi.ca/csarven
--- if you are subscribing to someone, then it probably at minimum
meets the definition of: someone that we have at least a "lowest form
of friendshi
al information about the topic
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-faq#Why_are_the_root_class_names_vcalendar_and_vevent
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s and rel. It should be possible to
mark-up what you nee using only HTML 4. Do you have an example in mind
or an issue that we could work through.
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t it. It was modeling
folksonomies, and that is probably where the name came from.
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't distinguish
> them... is there a preferred way of indicating/labeling which is which?
there is a "pref" meaning preferred, but I am not sure how
applications would display this. You can see some examples here:
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#type_subproperty_values
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d/start a page on the wiki to document these?
that way we can find common formats and any emerging syntaxes.
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from the
> anchor, ignore, or do whatever they want with it?
--- the better question is, "are people publishing it this way?" If
collect enough example, then we can make a better determination.
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ake the @title over the node
value, "Montréal, Quebec, Canada"
does that make sense?
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> P.S.: Is there no way to search the mailing lists? I could not find one, so
> I stuck with google:
That or some of the other mailing list archiving applications are the
best way to search the mail archives.
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ove the format further.
Thanks and well done!
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g: B+
--- That gets around 1-5, but there isn't really away to make a
sliding scale for letter values. A,B,C,D, but where does B+ go? and is
there an A- or an F+? the scale isn't smooth like it is with numeric
values.
I hope that helps,
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> rel="tag"? Can't seem to find a clear description of these.
--- if there is a class="category" (singular) w/o rel-tag, then it
will take the text value. If there is ALSO a rel-tag then it should
take the last portion of the URL.
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alue. In lists
the "," is presentational, whereas in -$9.99 the "-" has meaning. It
would be like rending Drop Caps with CSS, then your paragraph would
read "t was a dark and stormy night" rather than "It was ..."
That's my +2 cents,
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Has anyone heard about the APs attempt to make a microformat? Did i
miss something or did they just go and do their own thing?
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ing of vocabularies. Microformats do not force
people to mark-up their html in any special way, so there will be
overlap which have no meaning to each other.
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dient hcard important
error-message highlight aside" or any other class value. hRecipe or
hCard does not need to understand the other class values which are for
styling or for microformats or for other formats in the future.
Does that help clear-up any confusion?
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ime, existing formats are
used. Then hCard parsers don't need to be updated to know how to
extract person data out of an hRecipe, etc.
I hope that makes sense. You should add this to the Wiki under the
FAQs, then we can all iterate on the best answer.
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do this via HTTP POST?
--- X2V is available as a POST as well, but i don't like to advertise
it too much. If you or anyone else has a good reason why they need it
(like this), please contact me OFFLIST and i'll send you the info you
need and we can test that it works.
Thanks,
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Julian Rickards
wrote:
> 2009/5/23 Brian Suda :
>
>> --- i have added value-class pattern, but must have missed it for the
>> TYPES. I'll confirm this and get it fixed in the next few days.
>>
>> -brian
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> Very cool!!! I
the next few days.
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was possible to replicate what you are describing.
Have a look at:
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-brainstorming#Tabular_event_calendars
If it still doesn't make sense, or needs to be better explained, let
us know and we can iterate on it.
Thank
plash-down site in the middle of the ocean. Neither of these are
really children of an ADR. So GEO was keep separate, but it just
happens to be closely related to ADR although it can refer to more
than just addresses.
I hope that answers your q
it?
--- could you give an example of what you mean here?
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ore of the polygon versus point debate. The address
is a more specific GEO point than just the City/State/Country.
But overall, yes you can nest a GEO in an ADR.
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updated in a long time. It is probably not the best to bleeding-edge
tricks with. I would stick with Operator or X2V. Let us know if those
are importable via Sunbird or Google Calendar.
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, but not much has been done with it in a
while. You can see the files and expected output here:
http://hg.microformats.org/tests
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ries. If you try something similar to:
9/01–9/02,
1/05–9/06
X2V should produce better ics output.
If anyone wants to discuss other possible ways of parsing RDATE, we
should should take it to the dev list.
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-your-canonical.html
I had a look on the wiki, and there was some discussions of canonical,
but no rel-canonical.
http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=canonical&go=Go
This is worth documenting as google develop and use this more.
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link to an example? Then we can better help to make
recommendations.
Thanks,
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rch
to microformats. Then the browser's internal search box could act like
a search box for the site
http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-August/005298.html
If we wish to discuss new formats, we should move that discussion over
to the -new l
add it to the wiki as an FAQ. Then we can all iterate on the
answer.
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ture of the web. We
can't believe everything we read online - no matter how convincing the
conspiracy theorists might sound)
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lobally
unique.
I will update the wiki page.
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> changing margins, list-items, padding...
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There is also a Wiki where they are extending REL values:
http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/RelExtensions
See if there is anything on those 3 resources that could be of use.
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tp://microformats.org/wiki/usage (maybe)?
to help describe how to, or how freely you can, and in what context
the term 'microformat' can be used.
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; 'male'.
There is an FAQ on the wiki about this.
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#How_is_gender_represented
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he/she is customary to write it according to the form to
> do it in its country (locale).
D. Carlos Santana
Pérez
Because N has several sub-properties, you can order those in any way
that you want. FN will take the string as they are ordered in the
HTML, but N will re-order them as needed.
The
without
realizing it.
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variety of different colors, but you can un-check any that
you do not want. Ideally, i tried to cover the common laptop colors
along with some fun bright colors as well. I am open to suggestions
for additions/deletions, etc.
Let me know your thoughts,
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as they want to,
rather than how you tell them.
We should really try to update benefits in this way. Good spot on
stackoverflow.com can we change it somehow?
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ablished POSH for death date and flourished dates?
--- the most info on the wiki is here:
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-date-of-death
There have been some discussion of fuzzy dates, but at the end of the
day most consuming apps what a hard-coded single point in time.
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be a violation of the semantics of "family-name", but i think in
this case the nesting would be ok.
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" part of the family name or is it additional or is it something
else completely? what about MacDougal, or O´Reilly? Adding some
semantics is certainly better than none, and will probably be a
judgement call on your part. You are correct, with vCard th
ds improvement" or
"missing properties". We should encourage improvement rather than
berating failure.
Does anyone have an idea of how to improve this term?
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nologies emerge, we can solve problems then, no need to spend the
effort on early adopter edge-cases at the moment.
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also
mark-up your Chat profiles with their specific protocols, aim: msn:
jabber: etc. Other people only vend the data after someone has
authenticated themselves, so the microformats are NOT available to the
general public, but instead to a white-list of contacts.
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#x27;category' as
one of the values they recognize rather than trying to re-invent
rel-tag as class-tag.
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are some rules for using category and rel-tag together, but this
proposal is just about extracting the 'tag' value from the node rather
than the URL. This is what class="category" does, so i would
experiment with that first.
Thanks,
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microformats. Please tell me if such a site already
> exists.
--- to my knowledge, no such site exists. If there are broken links,
please feel free to correct the wiki, it is a wiki. As well, if you
(or anyone) knows of more resources or have ideas, feel free to add
them there along with the URLs
g could build plugins, so when you
right-click on the HTML page on the hAtom entry, the context menu
could understand where the post starts and stops, and extract other
metadata. This interaction takes place on the page were you are
viewing the text, rather than in some secondary RSS reading tool
nd the first VALUE "Bar Toby A Inkster" and concatenate it
with the second "Toby A Inkster" (without spaces inbetween)
Anyone wishing to continue the discussion of parsing rules, this
should be done on the dev-list.
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ghts and
experiences to it as well.
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n addition to (and before) any class names on that header
> |cell for determining whether it is a property of the VEVENT.
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your example of:
Full name
would need to become:
Full name
Axis is not used and the class="fn" needs to be a child of the id
being referenced.
To see a working example, you can visit:
http://www.sixnationskickoff.com/
it is hCalendar items, but it is pretty easy to
ng applications such as Outlook requiring
DTSTAMP which is actually optional.
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ve a
hCalendar Plugin, so you fill out the forms and it puts it all inline
with the mark-up for you. Both of these efforts lighten the load on
the publisher while keeping the mark-up to remove ambiguities.
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http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/hresume/
if you have questions feel free to contact me or this list.
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FN is not on any ADR elements (or LABEL)". So
the implied-n template is not called when FN is labeling a place.I
think it is simple as that.
I suggest that we do NOT yet update the wiki until we get some further feedback.
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you.
>
> In that case, would people agree, or object, if we:
--- some additional time to review this would be nice. Jeremy brought
this to my attention 2 days ago. Now we are asking to change the spec.
More time is needed to fully look over the implications of this
change.
thank
test suite at hg.microformats.org, but the only
rel-tag tests are in conjunction with compound microformats. A rel-tag
test suite would be welcomed.
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include pattern. X2V
will only look at encodings that are children of an ID, not at the
same level.
The following should work because it will find the node with the ID
and then find FN as a child:
John Smith
If we want to continue this conversation, it should be done on the dev-list
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xplicitly said that the value of the ABBR is blank, so
this is what X2V is pulling as the value of FN.
We can discuss if is to correct to "help" the user, or to take what is
explicitly been encoded no matter how silly it may seem?
These sorts of parsing questions are best on the
encoding-and-visualization/
>*generate a timeline from a page containing a set of events
> marked up with hCalendar microformats:
--- Yes, the code is here and should also be checked into our versioning system.
http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/hcalendar/
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disagree that
this is the correct interpretation. This has come-up before on the
dev-list when dealing with looking into child-elements.
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ceed? maybe list a few example changes here, discuss
the rewording, Then start editing the wiki, when we have some
consensus?
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ME, etc are all equivalent
I hope this helps, much of the automated schema parsing is solved in
text in the spec not in a format document.
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ses on the abbr element,
the REGION should be just "NSW"
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, but very well
done. It mentions microrormats, but also touches on many of the other
open-data ideas such as portable social networks, tagging, and other
ad hoc agreements.
well worth checking-out,
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as possible.
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ciences
http://www.hawaii.edu/";>University of
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; We have something along these lines in our mark-up at the moment, so
> I'd obviously quite like to see if it's feasible for parsers to
> handle this.
>
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IM applications,
please document anything there.
http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-implementations
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Today, the World Wide Web Consortium completed an important link
between Semantic Web and microformats communities
W3C GRDDL Press Release
http://www.w3.org/2007/07/grddl-pressrelease.html.en
GRDDL Recommendation
http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/
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with the now()
feel free to document the options on the hreusme-issues page in more
detail and any possible solutions (if any)
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end and you should be all set."
i didn´t see this on the FAQ page, so please add this with an answer.
http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume-faq
Then others can iterate on it as needed.
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o have discussions, definitions
about formats NOT on our wiki.
I´m all for cleaning things-up and giving more explanations, but this
shouldn't be to the detriment of the specs and existing links,
especially when it is so easy to create new pages on the wiki.
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lisher, #3 can easily evolve with the times,
the GUI, etc rather than potentially be baked incorrectly into the
specs and ruin it for the future.
This is more of an discussion point for parsers and plugins than for
the specs. My vote is to let the parsers do what they THINK is best
and we vote colle
ver with HTML4. With HTML5 and other future languages, the
semantics will be defined by new (hopefully better) elements. We can
cross those bridges as we get there.
Thanks for the heads-up on DFN, i have noted it on the dfn-design-pattern page:
http://microformats.org/wik
instead the class
URL and the 'A' element.
If you have further parsing questions, we should take this up on the dev list.
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o link to
each tagged article?
In this case SHOULD is probably more of a MAY.
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covers the Table AXIS/HEADER/ID
stuff, so if you can have a look there it could give you some help.
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to the rel-tag? if it is inside other microformats,
then you can use the existing semantics of those formats to glean
summary information.
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d call-backs.
This might help you get some of the results you are looking for, in a
semantic fashion as well.
Sorry i can't be more help.
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hnorati uses kitchen.technorati.com and is spidering microformats,
at the moment they are not displaying XFN (if they index it), having
the code available would help others mirror what RubHub has done.
Does anyone have a contact at RubHub? or are they on this list?
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d. That is the best course
of action for everyone.
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#x27;t much matter. You could also argue that
Organizations (that's the OBJECT they are talking about) could have a
birth date as well.
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ABShowAs which is
not part of the vCard spec. Can anyone else confirm how Outlook or
other PIMs would import/export similar situations?
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d by major
> sites, I know upcoming use them a lot, and there are some on flickr
> aren't there?
--- the lists of examples in the wild for each format should get you
some good examples.
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