Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 04:15 -0800, Dan Ferguson wrote: > What I was wondering is with the complexity of NAT and web-proxy would > we be better off running a separate Mikrotik at the core just to handle > the additional bandwidth control we are discussing? This really depends on the board. For

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Last month we had a 24db 5Ghz panel ripped off its mounts by the wind. This is on top of a hill just behind the sierras and is only 3 feet off the ground. Ripped four bolts out of the back of the antenna. I was able to drive to the mountaintop, but

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You are right on the money, limited sun up here in the winter. The look angle on our old satellite service G4 had to by put on a roof just to clear the horizon. We always envisioned digging a trench to improve the signal. On 5/23/2010 8:17 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSA

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It's a brutal environment, and that's when you are at ground level. On mountain tops you have to take extreme measures to protect your equipment. I have been to a some easier to reach mountain sites and they were nasty. When we up there several dishes had been ripped off the tower, heavy ice bu

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Hi Matt, I would love to be able to put in a real alternative to satellite, I would be their hero. It's just not feasible for us with the size and cashflow of our company. Just the setup of one remote powered site might cost more than a years worth of revenue from the town when including main

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Hello Butch, Thanks for your insight with this problem. I read through the information and your blog. I believe we should pursue implementing the method you mention to try and balance the usage of the users. The prioritization script is something we want also but at the moment even http is su

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So far I haven't been able to find out the turbine maker, but there are wind turbines on the South polar ice cap, so there should be a way to power the repeaters.So I would think it's now more about the locations. On 05/23/2010 10:39 AM, Bill Prin

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm thinking that part of the power of a wind generator/ battery would go back to keeping parts above the bottom temp of the circuitry... Robert On 05/23/2010 10:39 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > That's an understatement. With solar down here in North Cal

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That's an understatement. With solar down here in North California, the maximum time we have "no sun" is measured in a few dozen hours. Up there, it would be measured in months. It's not at the arctic circle, but it's darn close. So you have a couple of extremes: several months with no sun,

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That's a darn good question. I'm thinking it would be very "challenging".. bp On 5/23/2010 9:06 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can you keep a wind generator working in that environment? On 05/23/2010 08:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote: There really are

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I figured that you couldn't do solar, due to the low sun angle for 1-2 months. That's a LOT of battery. Am I mistaken? I'm noodling on the idea of a building or other smallish structure with a integral wind turbine to reduce the likelihood of dama

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Solar is going to require batteries due to the extreme nights, too. On 5/23/10, Robert Andrews wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Can you keep a wind generator working in that environment? > > On 05/23/2010 08:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >> There really aren't "trees" that

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can you keep a wind generator working in that environment? On 05/23/2010 08:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > There really aren't "trees" that you would worry about in that part of > the world. Permafrost prevents most conventional trees from growing at >

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There really aren't "trees" that you would worry about in that part of the world. Permafrost prevents most conventional trees from growing at all. The biggest problem might just be the extreme cold. bp On 5/22/2010 11:41 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: tower tall enough to get over the trees

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I've done quite a few long microwave links, and looking at your situation I would think you might be able to get something out of Fairbanks and shoot from there to McGrath. Straight shot is 265 miles, but you could break it up into about six or seven independent shots to do it. I have gone

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When I looked at McGrath, I asked myself where were the nearest "other" places that might have bandwidth. This is what I came up with: Mountain Village: ~~ 270 miles Anchorage: ~~ 220 miles Talkeetna: ~~ 170 miles Those are all "doable", but just thinking in increment

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In the past I have considered some horrible kludge of a sat provider augmented with Hughs or Starband for caching maybe. I'm sure it would be painful and might not work so we haven't really pursued it. Plus the additional costs in equipment and dishes makes it hard to consider. Tying the two sy

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We have only recently considered switching, we just don't know who to check with. I have contacted a couple with no results, in fact some of them don't even return calls 8( . They don't seem to interested in having McGrath on a shared system. Another provider has dedicated bandwidth available b

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Well, if the issue truly is oversubscription on the satellite service and more bandwidth is needed, why not combine providers to get more capacity? On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > What about it?  You QOS based on interface in MT. > > On 5/22/10, RickG wrote: >> What about

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What about it? You QOS based on interface in MT. On 5/22/10, RickG wrote: > What about combining multiple providers? > > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:25 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: >> >> Hey Dan, >> >> Have you considered switching providers? >> >>

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What about combining multiple providers? On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:25 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: > > Hey Dan, > > Have you considered switching providers? > > > > Are there any com sites between mcgrath and mt Su? > > And as an aside,

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In looking at the map, if there is any sort of higher bandwidth available in Talkeetna, that is less than 180 air miles. With the mountain peaks around there, you might be able to do a microwave relay with only 3 links (two POPs on mountain tops). But keeping them running would be a real chal

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Hey Dan, Have you considered switching providers? Are there any com sites between mcgrath and mt Su? And as an aside, I noticed your KYES domain name. Are you thier engineer? ryan On May 22, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Bill Prince >

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All the satellites are seriously oversubscribed. That is probably the source of your varying bandwidth. Does your satellite provider have such a thing as a dedicated pipe (I don't know if that is even possible)? If you had dedicated bandwidth, then you would have the ability to parcel it ou

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It's definitely in the middle of no where, I wouldn't want to live there. We originally helped them install Internet service there in 1998 with our previous company Spectrum Wireless, we assisted the local utility with installation and operation. At Spectrum we built wireless routers back then

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On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 17:24 -0800, Dan Ferguson wrote: > I haven't checked those out yet, I will have to go take a look. We are > willing to try it, I am sure of that. I'm sorry, but I missed the first message in this thread. I will try to address some of your questions/concerns now, though. >

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Hi Ryan, We are using LBIsat. I was born and raised in the Anchorage area myself. - Dan On 5/21/2010 6:10 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: Hey Dan, What sat provider are you using? ryan (born and raised in Los Anchorage) On May 20, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Dan Ferguson wrote: Hello everyone, We ha

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I can't offer it to you. I'd ask Butch to look at your network for a good answer/solution. On 5/21/10, Dan Ferguson wrote: > Hello Josh, > > I haven't checked those out yet, I will have to go take a look. We are > willing to try it, I am sure of that. > > Thanks, > > - Dan > > > On 5/20/2010 10:

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QOS works great and Butch will take good care of you! On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Dan Ferguson wrote: > Hello Josh, > > I haven't checked those out yet, I will have to go take a look. We are > willing to try it, I am sure of that. > > Thanks, > > - Dan > > > On 5/20/2010 10:02 PM, Josh Luthm

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Hello Josh, I haven't checked those out yet, I will have to go take a look. We are willing to try it, I am sure of that. Thanks, - Dan On 5/20/2010 10:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Have you tried Butch's QOS? It is based more on priority then rates. On 5/21/10, Dan Ferguson wrote: Hel

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Yikes. I just took a peek at the map, and it shows Mcgrath ~~ 220 air miles NW of Anchorage. That is truly no man's land. And if I read the map correctly, there are _NO_ roads going there. So the only way in or out is via airplane (or up/down the river)? For 220 miles, you would need (at

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Hey Dan, What sat provider are you using? ryan (born and raised in Los Anchorage) On May 20, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Dan Ferguson wrote: Hello everyone, We have a site in a very tiny town in McGrath Alaska that we have to run on Satellite, the amount of bandwidth we receive is always varia

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Have you tried Butch's QOS? It is based more on priority then rates. On 5/21/10, Dan Ferguson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > We have a site in a very tiny town in McGrath Alaska that we have to run > on Satellite, the amount of bandwidth we receive is always variable. > It's shared at a 5:1 ratio

[Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

Hello everyone, We have a site in a very tiny town in McGrath Alaska that we have to run on Satellite, the amount of bandwidth we receive is always variable. It's shared at a 5:1 ratio and uses compression, so we see bandwidth levels vary based on the other satellite users usage. The problem w