Re: [Mimedefang] Greylist-busting ratware?

2006-04-23 Thread Stewart
On 19/04/2006, at 12:23 PM, David F. Skoll wrote: Anyone else seeing this? We see it quite a lot, and always from cable modem or DSL machines (probably cracked Windoze boxes.) i haven't had time to do the forensics yet but i'm definitely of the opinion that greylist aint working so well

Re: [Mimedefang] Greylist-busting ratware?

2006-04-21 Thread nathan r. hruby
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, John Rudd wrote: On Apr 20, 2006, at 16:34, nathan r. hruby wrote: - ratware infected boxen on campus use campus relays which relay by IP. They spew, we queue. Badness for everyone. We no longer have our student-residential IP block in our relay domain for this

Re: [Mimedefang] Greylist-busting ratware?

2006-04-21 Thread Joseph Brennan
--On Friday, April 21, 2006 9:30 -0400 nathan r. hruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Inbound ratware using SMTP AUTH to authenticate as a real user Hm. We haven't seen this at all yet. That's not a good sign. Yeah. We were *thrilled* to see this happening. *Thrilled* I tell you.

RE: [Mimedefang] Greylist-busting ratware?

2006-04-21 Thread Matthew.van.Eerde
John Rudd wrote: On Apr 20, 2006, at 16:34, nathan r. hruby wrote: - Inbound ratware using SMTP AUTH to authenticate as a real user Hm. We haven't seen this at all yet. That's not a good sign. I see this as a good thing. You can tie the spam back to a particular user. They change their

RE: [Mimedefang] Greylist-busting ratware?

2006-04-21 Thread WBrown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/21/2006 02:05:52 PM: I see this as a good thing. You can tie the spam back to a particular user. They change their password, and the ratware is blocked. Are the credentials really stolen, or is the ratware actually using the credentials that belong on the

RE: [Mimedefang] Greylist-busting ratware?

2006-04-21 Thread Matthew.van.Eerde
WBrown wrote: Are the credentials really stolen, or is the ratware actually using the credentials that belong on the zombied computer. I would bet the later. User changes password without cleaning off the infection and goes right back to sending spam. ... in which case you can infer that

Re: [Mimedefang] Greylist-busting ratware?

2006-04-21 Thread Ben Kamen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... in which case you can infer that they're infected, and the problem has gone from a technical one to a business one. Do you cut off the customer's access, fix their infection, send them a warning note... ? I would think it depends on who you are... an ISP, a

Re: [Mimedefang] Greylist-busting ratware?

2006-04-20 Thread John Rudd
On Apr 20, 2006, at 16:34, nathan r. hruby wrote: - ratware infected boxen on campus use campus relays which relay by IP. They spew, we queue. Badness for everyone. We no longer have our student-residential IP block in our relay domain for this reason. They were, by far, our biggest