Why Linus Torvalds won't donate to OpenSSH

2007-04-11 Thread Kernel Monkey
I recently wrote Linus Torvalds asking why I don't see his name listed on the OpenBSD donations page (http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html), since I figured he uses OpenSSH. This was the reply I got back: From: Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:29:56 -0700 (PDT) I suspect

Re: Why Linus Torvalds won't donate to OpenSSH

2007-04-11 Thread Damien Miller
Two points: 1. Please don't post private email. (Apologies if you obtained his permission to post). 2. Who really cares? I'd much rather see contibutions from companies who ship OpenSSH in their products and list SSH support as a feature on their glossy brochures than shaking down other

Re: Why Linus Torvalds won't donate to OpenSSH

2007-04-11 Thread Adam Hawes
I recently wrote Linus Torvalds asking why I don't see his name listed on the OpenBSD donations page (http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html), since I figured he uses OpenSSH. Apart from the fact that was a private email from Linus to you and you broadcast it publically (if you really did email

Re: Why Linus Torvalds won't donate to OpenSSH

2007-04-11 Thread Kernel Monkey
On 4/10/07, Damien Miller djm@ wrote: Two points: 1. Please don't post private email. (Apologies if you obtained his permission to post). 2. Who really cares? I'd much rather see contibutions from companies who ship OpenSSH in their products and list SSH support as a feature on their

Re: Routerboard 532 Bounty

2007-04-11 Thread Karl Sjödahl - dunceor
On 4/10/07, anon trol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure where to ask this; so, I thought I'd start here in misc first. I think I have convinced myself that I want to sponsor an architecture port effort. Specifically, I would like to see OpenBSD ported to the Routerboard 532 (IDT MIPS32 4Kc

Re: Why Linus Torvalds won't donate to OpenSSH

2007-04-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:27:55 +0930 Adam Hawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently wrote Linus Torvalds asking why I don't see his name listed on the OpenBSD donations page (http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html), since I figured he uses OpenSSH. Apart from the fact that was a private

Re: Why Linus Torvalds won't donate to OpenSSH

2007-04-11 Thread Damien Miller
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Timo Schoeler wrote: Which commercial *NIX that's still alive is more of a security thread and covered with the same level of stability problems as GNU/Linux? One really stops counting remote exploits for GNU/Linux very soon, otherwise one would have to dedicate one's

Re: Why Linus Torvalds won't donate to OpenSSH

2007-04-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:27:48 +1000 (EST) Damien Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Timo Schoeler wrote: Which commercial *NIX that's still alive is more of a security thread and covered with the same level of stability problems as GNU/Linux? One really stops counting

verifying ntp via GPS configuration?

2007-04-11 Thread James Hartley
I have questionable ntp foo, searching through the misc@ archives along with reading the FAQ has only gotten me so far. I have a Garmin 18 GPS: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000196BW6/104-8542380-5084714 ...which is connected to the serial port of a Sun Ultra 10. I am unable to determine

Re: verifying ntp via GPS configuration?

2007-04-11 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, James Hartley wrote: I have questionable ntp foo, searching through the misc@ archives along with reading the FAQ has only gotten me so far. I have a Garmin 18 GPS: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000196BW6/104-8542380-5084714 ...which is connected to the serial

Re:

2007-04-11 Thread Ivan Birin
Hi there! I need to know if Atheros AR5005G Wifi Network Adapter and Marvell Yukon 88E8038 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller are already supported in OBSD 4.0 or will be in the next release. I bought me a laptop built-in with these and I'd love to have OpenBSD on it rather than any other OS. I

Flusing rules for specific interface

2007-04-11 Thread carlopmart
Hi all, Is it possible to flush rules for a specific interface under OpenBSD 4.0? For example, I have two dsl lines and i would use only one pf.conf file with ifstated. When one link comes down I would like to do something like this: pfctl -i ext2_if -F rules (only flush actually rules for

Re: verifying ntp via GPS configuration?

2007-04-11 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, James Hartley wrote: On 4/11/07, Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very likely you Sun uses different serial ports than cua00. Check your dmesg to see which driver is uses, then use the driver man page to determine the /dev node to use. I'm must be blind

Re: verifying ntp via GPS configuration?

2007-04-11 Thread James Hartley
On 4/11/07, Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very likely you Sun uses different serial ports than cua00. Check your dmesg to see which driver is uses, then use the driver man page to determine the /dev node to use. I'm must be blind for I'm not seeing anything. dmesg below: console

Veja as novas imagens publicadas do Tsunami

2007-04-11 Thread Globo Videos
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Re: Why Linus Torvalds won't donate to OpenSSH

2007-04-11 Thread Martin
On Wednesday 11 April 2007 03:06, Kernel Monkey wrote: On 4/10/07, Damien Miller djm@ wrote: Two points: 1. Please don't post private email. (Apologies if you obtained his permission to post). 2. Who really cares? I'd much rather see contibutions from companies who ship OpenSSH

Re: date -u gives wrong timezone output?

2007-04-11 Thread Pierre Lamy
GMT is the timezone, UTC is the time. P jared r r spiegel wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 06:17:58PM -0400, Nick ! wrote: On 4/10/07, Markus Bergkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 'date -u' on a 4.0 -stable will give something like Tue Apr 10 22:03:24 GMT 2007 but shouldn't it be

Re: bcw(4) is gone

2007-04-11 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Seg, 2007-04-09 C s 18:29 +0100, Jeroen Massar escreveu: GPL is good though if you want to force people to give back the code to you so that you can use it in your own dual-licensed projects. This shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the way both the GPL and generic copyright work.

request for new [nl] translators of OpenBSD's web pages

2007-04-11 Thread Steven Mestdagh
hi, As you might know, the OpenBSD web pages are translated in a number of different languages as explained on http://www.openbsd.org/translation.html Currently, the [nl] translation team, consisting of Jasper and myself, is looking for new contributors who can maintain the existing translation

GPL is free for forcing people to free code, not free as in free to do what you want, which is actually what free as in BSD and real freedom is (Was: bcw(4) is gone)

2007-04-11 Thread Jeroen Massar
[set the topic to make it nice and clear, this has nothing to do with bcw(4) for a long time now, actually the whole thread avoided it] Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Seg, 2007-04-09 C s 18:29 +0100, Jeroen Massar escreveu: GPL is good though if you want to force people to give back the code to

Re: Why Linus Torvalds won't donate to OpenSSH

2007-04-11 Thread Martin
Nice bounce... Hi. This is the qmail-send program at chaossolutions.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 64.233.167.27 does not like recipient. Remote host said:

OpenBSD Firewall and ddb{1}

2007-04-11 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
I've got two OpenBSD 3.9 firewall/router in a CARP configuration. They are both IBM NetFinity 40004 servers with dual P3 650MHz chips and 512MB of memory each. Twice now, the backup firewall has disappeared from my Nagios monitoring and I've found (through remote serial console) only a ddb{1}

Re: GPL is free for forcing people to free code when they publish, not free as in free to do what you want, which is actually what free as in BSD, and real freedom ends at the tip of my nose

2007-04-11 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
[correct the subject] ;) Qua, 2007-04-11 C s 14:26 +0100, Jeroen Massar escreveu: [set the topic to make it nice and clear, this has nothing to do with bcw(4) for a long time now, actually the whole thread avoided it] Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Seg, 2007-04-09 C s 18:29 +0100, Jeroen

Re: GPL is free for forcing people to free code when they publish, not free as in free to do what you want, which is actually what free as in BSD, and real freedom ends at the tip of my nose

2007-04-11 Thread Jeroen Massar
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [correct the subject] ;) Qua, 2007-04-11 C s 14:26 +0100, Jeroen Massar escreveu: [set the topic to make it nice and clear, this has nothing to do with bcw(4) for a long time now, actually the whole thread avoided it] Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Seg,

Re: GPL is free for forcing people to free code when they publish, not free as in free to do what you want, which is actually what free as in BSD, and real freedom ends at the tip of my nose

2007-04-11 Thread Darrin Chandler
Now that the subject is accurate, it's more obvious than ever that this discussion doesn't belong here. Not only is it not relevant, but it's been discussed to death many times, in many places. -- Darrin Chandler| Phoenix BSD User Group | MetaBUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] |

Re: GPL is [blah blah blah ...]

2007-04-11 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 04:18:41PM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: Good that I PGP sign my messages [...] And the mailing list strips your signatures: [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]

Re: bcw(4) is gone

2007-04-11 Thread Massimo Lusetti
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:20:33 -0500 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GPL is as free as communism. Please add this to fortune! -- Massimo.run(); She's the kind of girl who climbed the ladder of success wrong by wrong. -- Mae West

Re: Why Linus Torvalds won't donate to OpenSSH

2007-04-11 Thread Dan Farrell
Seriously... this is a troll. This is like electronic insurgency designed to get OBSD supporters in another huff with the Linux world... hasn't bcw(4) provided enough for that purpose? danno -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Sent:

Re: Routerboard 532 Bounty

2007-04-11 Thread bofh
Out of curiousity, why do a routerboard, when you can use something like the following: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813185094

Re: Routerboard 532 Bounty

2007-04-11 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
On 4/11/07, bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiousity, why do a routerboard, when you can use something like the following: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813185094 Well, I would like to see the router board simply because, I would like to make a router / switch

Re: Why Linus Torvalds won't donate to OpenSSH

2007-04-11 Thread Nick !
The great thing about it is that people perusing the archives will see the trollfest and probably not get this far to see us cluing in and being calm and civil. -Nick On 4/11/07, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously... this is a troll. This is like electronic insurgency designed to

Re: Routerboard 532 Bounty

2007-04-11 Thread Greg Thomas
On 4/11/07, bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiousity, why do a routerboard, when you can use something like the following: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813185094 Power consumption, heat, noise, unnecessary parts... Greg

Removing chmod world write support and sftp

2007-04-11 Thread Joshua Gimer
We have several production web servers and I am trying to figure out a way to removing world write support from chmod. I have already written a wrapper for the chmod command, but it does not seem to work within sftp; has anyone encountered anything that could help in implementing this, or have any

Re: Removing chmod world write support and sftp

2007-04-11 Thread Nick !
On 4/11/07, Joshua Gimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have several production web servers and I am trying to figure out a way to removing world write support from chmod. I have already written a wrapper for the chmod command, but it does not seem to work within sftp; has anyone encountered

Re: Routerboard 532 Bounty

2007-04-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:57:45 -0400 bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiousity, why do a routerboard, when you can use something like the following: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813185094 maybe some are not that convinced using x86? ;)

Re: Why Linus Torvalds won't donate to OpenSSH

2007-04-11 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Apr 11, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Dan Farrell wrote: Seriously... this is a troll. This is like electronic insurgency designed to get OBSD supporters in another huff with the Linux world... hasn't bcw(4) provided enough for that purpose? Bless you , Danno. When you're right, you're right.

Re: bcw(4) is gone

2007-04-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:25:14 +0200 Massimo Lusetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:20:33 -0500 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GPL is as free as communism. Please add this to fortune! -- Massimo.run(); She's the kind of girl who climbed the ladder of success

Re: Routerboard 532 Bounty

2007-04-11 Thread Bret Lambert
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 12:05 -0500, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: Well, I would like to see the router board simply because, I would like to make a router / switch device to replace a Linksys 54G Router, maybe 3 or 4 lan ports and a 1 or 2 MPCI slots, 1 for hardware crypto and the other for a wireless

safe PF start / restart

2007-04-11 Thread christian johansson
I had to set up a linux firewall the other day, and I used the iptables script generating program shorewall. While pulling my hair over how ugly the iptables stuff (even via shorewall) is compared to OpenBSDs nice clean PF syntax, I did find one very nice feature in shorewall - safe restart. When

Re: bcw(4) is gone

2007-04-11 Thread Marc Balmer
Timo Schoeler wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:25:14 +0200 Massimo Lusetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:20:33 -0500 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GPL is as free as communism. Please add this to fortune! -- Massimo.run(); She's the kind of girl who climbed the

Re: Routerboard 532 Bounty

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Kuethe
On 4/11/07, Bret Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 12:05 -0500, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: Well, I would like to see the router board simply because, I would like to make a router / switch device to replace a Linksys 54G Router, maybe 3 or 4 lan ports and a 1 or 2 MPCI slots,

Re: safe PF start / restart

2007-04-11 Thread Marco Peereboom
Did you read pfctl(8) ? On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:44:44AM -0700, christian johansson wrote: I had to set up a linux firewall the other day, and I used the iptables script generating program shorewall. While pulling my hair over how ugly the iptables stuff (even via shorewall) is compared to

Re: bcw(4) is gone

2007-04-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:08:44 +0200 Marc Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Timo Schoeler wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:25:14 +0200 Massimo Lusetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:20:33 -0500 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GPL is as free as communism. Please

OpeBSD on Acer Travelmate

2007-04-11 Thread Timo Myyrä
Hi, I recently installed OpenBSD-current from the latest snapshot on my Acer Travelmate 4202WLMI laptop and I'm having few issues with it. First is the USB -performance. I have USB-drive and when moving data between it and my laptop I get around 5-7MB/sec although in Linux I get 17-20MB/sec.

Building boot

2007-04-11 Thread Jon Steel
Hi Im trying to build boot for OpenBSD 4.0. Ive pasted the output below from what I get if I do a make clean in /sys/arch/i386/stand/boot and then do a make in /sys. The problem is that the boot file that is being created in /sys/arch/i386/stand/boot is 322K, whereas the original boot was only

Re: safe PF start / restart

2007-04-11 Thread Jeff Quast
On 4/11/07, christian johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to set up a linux firewall the other day, and I used the iptables script generating program shorewall. While pulling my hair over how ugly the iptables stuff (even via shorewall) is compared to OpenBSDs nice clean PF syntax, I did

Re: bcw(4) is gone

2007-04-11 Thread Mike Erdely
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:20:51PM +0200, Timo Schoeler wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:08:44 +0200 Marc Balmer wrote: [X] -- communism isn't as bad as the GPL ;) [X] marco is a communist no; if so, he's as good as communist as George W. Bush as president. WTF! What the hell does GPL,

Re: safe PF start / restart

2007-04-11 Thread Mike Erdely
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 02:44:10PM -0400, Jeff Quast wrote: On 4/11/07, christian johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: feature in shorewall - safe restart. Is there a ready made script accomplishing this for openbsd / pf? Or any plans of building such functionality? I've done this with pf.

IPSec help..

2007-04-11 Thread Roy Kim
I'm trying to setup an ipsec tunnel between an openbsd and a windows box using X.509 certificates. Phase 1 gets successfully negotiated but then things crap out at step 1 of phase 2 and I don't have a clue what's wrong. Any thoughts? Isakmpd debug messages just after phase 1 is negotiated and

scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread Karel Kulhavy
For the same filename, sometimes you have to specify a different filename to scp, depending on whether the file is on remote system or local one. I have created a remote file whose filename a b is 3 chars long - ASCII codes 97, 32, 98 scp '[EMAIL PROTECTED]:a b' . doesn't work - prints: scp: a:

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread Dan Farrell
Wow. Seriously, I think the real 'bug' is your file naming conventions. Who would anyone specifically want to name a file with a space in it... and if breaks on scp, where else will that screwy naming convention break as well? I'm sure you'll give some really good reason why the files have to

Re: GPL is free for forcing people to free code when they publish, not free as in free to do what you want, which is actually what free as in BSD, and real freedom ends at the tip of my nose

2007-04-11 Thread chefren
On 4/11/07 5:45 PM, Darrin Chandler wrote: Now that the subject is accurate, it's more obvious than ever that this discussion doesn't belong here. Not only is it not relevant, but it's been discussed to death many times, in many places. Clearly not to death and people here are seriously

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread Nick !
On 4/11/07, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karel Kulhavy Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:47 PM To: OpenBSD Subject: scp problem with remote filename escaping Sounds like a bug to me - the escaping for the remote shell

Re: IPSec help..

2007-04-11 Thread Hans-Joerg Hoexer
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 01:28:28PM -0600, Roy Kim wrote: I'm trying to setup an ipsec tunnel between an openbsd and a windows box using X.509 certificates. Phase 1 gets successfully negotiated but then things crap out at step 1 of phase 2 and I don't have a clue what's wrong. Any thoughts?

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread Nick !
On 4/11/07, Nick ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/11/07, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karel Kulhavy Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:47 PM To: OpenBSD Subject: scp problem with remote filename escaping Sounds

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread Bryan Irvine
snip I agree, spaces in filenames should be avoided. But spaces in filenames are legal, so programs need to support that; this seems like a case scp was never tested against because no one uses files with those names. I scp'd a file called 'a b' to an openbsd server here, then scp'd it back a

Re: GPL is free for forcing people to free code when they publish, not free as in free to do what you want, which is actually what free as in BSD, and real freedom ends at the tip of my nose

2007-04-11 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:25:03PM +0200, chefren wrote: On 4/11/07 5:45 PM, Darrin Chandler wrote: Now that the subject is accurate, it's more obvious than ever that this discussion doesn't belong here. Not only is it not relevant, but it's been discussed to death many times, in many places.

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread Simon Effenberg
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 04:17:38PM -0400, Nick ! wrote: On 4/11/07, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karel Kulhavy Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:47 PM To: OpenBSD Subject: scp problem with remote filename escaping

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/04/11 13:41, Bryan Irvine wrote: snip I agree, spaces in filenames should be avoided. But spaces in filenames are legal, so programs need to support that; this seems like a case scp was never tested against because no one uses files with those names. I scp'd a file called 'a b' to

Re: GPL is free for forcing people to free code when they publish, not free as in free to do what you want, which is actually what free as in BSD, and real freedom ends at the tip of my nose

2007-04-11 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Apr 11, 2007, at 2:25 PM, chefren wrote: Clearly not to death and people here are seriously interested in pro and contra arguments. Hey, if you young folks still have all that typing power in your fingers, please bang on the code for BSD some more! -- Jack J. Woehr Director of

Re: IPSec help..

2007-04-11 Thread Roy Kim
Window's firewall is off. Dump is as follows: # tcpdump -i sis0 'esp or (udp and (port 500 or port 4500))' tcpdump: listening on sis0, link-type EN10MB 21:06:26.205252 work.isakmp home.isakmp: isakmp v1.0 exchange ID_PROT cookie: 1a0f8d5bb2637ce2- msgid: len:

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:02:50PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2007/04/11 13:41, Bryan Irvine wrote: scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:a\ b . you have to escape to *both* your local shell, and the remote shell This has always seemed silly to me. Does anyone intentionally use $ scp host:a b .

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 04:33:32PM -0400, Nick ! wrote: Karel, single quotes cause backslashes to be backslashes, instead of escape chars (*except* if it's a backslash in front of a single quote, so that you can escape single quotes to include them). No, backslashes have no special meaning

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread a . velichinsky
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 04:41:41PM -0500, Matthew R. Dempsky wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:02:50PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2007/04/11 13:41, Bryan Irvine wrote: scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:a\ b . you have to escape to *both* your local shell, and the remote shell This has

Re: date -u gives wrong timezone output?

2007-04-11 Thread Markus Bergkvist
So, the man page should say 'Display the UTC in GMT time'? If I understand it correctly, UTC is the timezone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#UTC /Markus Pierre Lamy wrote: GMT is the timezone, UTC is the time. P jared r r spiegel wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 06:17:58PM -0400, Nick

Re: Removing chmod world write support and sftp

2007-04-11 Thread Nick !
On 4/11/07, Joshua Gimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/11/07, Nick ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you're not really planning on security by obscurity are you? The wrapper will work because the users that are doing this are doing it out of ignorance and not with malicious intentions. This is

Re: Removing chmod world write support and sftp

2007-04-11 Thread Joshua Gimer
On 4/11/07, Nick ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you're not really planning on security by obscurity are you? The wrapper will work because the users that are doing this are doing it out of ignorance and not with malicious intentions. If the only thing that can be done is to change the sftp

Re: Removing chmod world write support and sftp

2007-04-11 Thread System Administrator
On 11 Apr 2007 at 16:33, Joshua Gimer wrote: On 4/11/07, Nick ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you're not really planning on security by obscurity are you? The wrapper will work because the users that are doing this are doing it out of ignorance and not with malicious intentions. If the

Re: bcw(4) is gone

2007-04-11 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 22:34 -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: GPL advocates claim their license prevents commercial entities from stealing their freedom. These are the same people who have no problem giving up their freedoms (in the form of NDA's, closed-source kernel modules, etc) to the

Re: wireless ethernet adapters (seeking recommendations)

2007-04-11 Thread Nick !
On 4/11/07, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking to build on OpenBSD 4.0 (4.1?) a wireless access point for a small network. I would like to hear what cards have proven to be the most effective in this arena. I am very interested in small form factor machines with possible onboard

Re: bcw(4) is gone

2007-04-11 Thread Todd Alan Smith
On 4/11/07, Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 22:34 -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: GPL advocates claim their license prevents commercial entities from stealing their freedom. These are the same people who have no problem giving up their freedoms (in the form of NDA's,

Re: wireless ethernet adapters (seeking recommendations)

2007-04-11 Thread Maxime DERCHE
A recent thread (04/04/2007) on this list showed that the ralink chipsets are well supported by OpenBSD. I think any wireless card with a ralink chipset will do the job. See http://openbsd.org/i386.html#hardware (Wireless Ethernet Adapters) if you need more information. Maxime Peter wrote: I'm

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread Adam Hawes
I'm sure you'll give some really good reason why the files have to be named that way... Try admining boxes which are used by EvilOS users - all of their files will be called My\ blah.

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread Adam Hawes
I scp'd a file called 'a b' to an openbsd server here, then scp'd it back a couple time in different ways. It worked only when using the quotes AND escaping, like so: scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:a\ b . That's because of the shell. The shell on the client sees the quotes and doesn't escape the

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread bofh
On 4/11/07, Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the same filename, sometimes you have to specify a different filename to scp, depending on whether the file is on remote system or local one. I have created a remote file whose filename a b is 3 chars long - ASCII codes 97, 32, 98

Re: wireless ethernet adapters (seeking recommendations)

2007-04-11 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 02:18:28AM +0200, Maxime DERCHE wrote: A recent thread (04/04/2007) on this list showed that the ralink chipsets are well supported by OpenBSD. If I recall, there was also talk about lower signal strength with ralink. For an access point this is important, but could be

Re: wireless ethernet adapters (seeking recommendations)

2007-04-11 Thread pedro la peu
The usual recommendation is ral(4) Or acx(4), ath(4), rtw(4), rum(4), wi(4).

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 04:11:48PM -0400, Dan Farrell wrote: Wow. Seriously, I think the real 'bug' is your file naming conventions. Bug is when behaviour is different from documentation. What is the behaviour and what is the documentation in the case of my file naming conventions? Who

Re: wireless ethernet adapters (seeking recommendations)

2007-04-11 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
My advice would be ral(4) I have also used ath(4) however the G mode does not work real well, I would suspect that ral(4) would be one of the first devices to support 80.211n. in OpenBSD (Someone correct me if I am wrong on this) Sam Fourman Jr. On 4/11/07, Darrin Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: wireless ethernet adapters (seeking recommendations)

2007-04-11 Thread bofh
- Original message - Or acx(4), ath(4), rtw(4), rum(4), wi(4). I thought we shouldn't support ath? On 4/11/07, pedro la peu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The usual recommendation is ral(4) Or acx(4), ath(4), rtw(4), rum(4), wi(4).

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:55:29PM +0200, Simon Effenberg wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 04:17:38PM -0400, Nick ! wrote: On 4/11/07, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karel Kulhavy Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:47

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:02:50PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2007/04/11 13:41, Bryan Irvine wrote: snip I agree, spaces in filenames should be avoided. But spaces in filenames are legal, so programs need to support that; this seems like a case scp was never tested against because

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 01:13:16AM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 04:41:41PM -0500, Matthew R. Dempsky wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:02:50PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2007/04/11 13:41, Bryan Irvine wrote: scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:a\ b . you have

Re: verifying ntp via GPS configuration?

2007-04-11 Thread James Hartley
On 4/11/07, Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sab0 at ebus0 addr 40-40007f ipl 43: rev 3.2 sabtty0 at sab0 port 0 sabtty1 at sab0 port 1 man sab gives: /dev/ttyh[0-1] No separate callout device, it looks like. Thanks for getting back to me. Specifying /dev/ttyh0 (or /dev/ttyh1)

Re: GPL is free for forcing people to free code when they publish, not free as in free to do what you want, which is actually what free as in BSD, and real freedom ends at the tip of my nose

2007-04-11 Thread Lars Hansson
chefren wrote: Clearly not to death and people here are seriously interested in pro and contra arguments. People are interested in discussing a lot things but that doesn't mean those discussions belong on [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Lars Hansson

undeadly.org down?

2007-04-11 Thread elpinguim
is undeadly down or do i need to smoke another blut? dns not responding: http://dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=undeadly.org regards, elpinguim

Re: undeadly.org down?

2007-04-11 Thread Jason Dixon
On Apr 11, 2007, at 11:20 PM, elpinguim wrote: is undeadly down or do i need to smoke another blut? dns not responding: http://dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=undeadly.org I noticed this three hours ago and emailed Daniel. The NS records for undeadly.org have disappeared from

Re: undeadly.org down?

2007-04-11 Thread elpinguim
On 4/11/07, Jason Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 11, 2007, at 11:20 PM, elpinguim wrote: is undeadly down or do i need to smoke another blut? dns not responding: http://dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=undeadly.org I noticed this three hours ago and emailed Daniel. The NS

Re: date -u gives wrong timezone output?

2007-04-11 Thread Pierre Lamy
UTC aka Coordinated Universal Time, is the right now is right now for all of us time, and is coordinated among several entities, irregardless of the timezone the parties are in. GMT is a timezone with an offset of zero. All timezones are differentials off of UTC; you couldn't just say that in

Re: undeadly.org down?

2007-04-11 Thread jared r r spiegel
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 11:48:04PM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: Unfortunately, it's the middle of the night where he's at, probably dreaming of anything but missing NS records. :) needs more benzedrine :( -- jared

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread jared r r spiegel
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 05:01:40PM -0500, Matthew R. Dempsky wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 04:33:32PM -0400, Nick ! wrote: Karel, single quotes cause backslashes to be backslashes, instead of escape chars (*except* if it's a backslash in front of a single quote, so that you can escape

Re: scp problem with remote filename escaping

2007-04-11 Thread jared r r spiegel
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 04:05:36AM +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: scp needs one (1) \ for one space in case of remote file and zero (0) \ in case of local one. The extra \'s are for bash but bash is irrelevant in this case. It's just one possible method of calling the process. Another method is

Re: verifying ntp via GPS configuration?

2007-04-11 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, James Hartley wrote: On 4/11/07, Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sab0 at ebus0 addr 40-40007f ipl 43: rev 3.2 sabtty0 at sab0 port 0 sabtty1 at sab0 port 1 man sab gives: /dev/ttyh[0-1] No separate callout device, it looks like. Thanks for