Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread Theo de Raadt
Interjecting. About 80 people are building & maintaining an operating system, and following their whims to fix the problems that they believe to be most relevant. What is this email exchange about? Let me lay it out. 1. We are being told what to do. 2. We are being told what is important. 3.

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 8 May 2019 22:43:00 -0400 Charles wrote: > I'd like to chime in here, on a slightly different subject. > > I think the OP (Clark) raises a point, but I suggest he's coming it > from the wrong angle. I think there's something here to discuss that I > have not seen mentioned in this

Re: SSH "Honey Keys" Security

2019-05-08 Thread Johan Beisser
Don’t. Generally, these things should be used to alert if an internal service has been compromised (akin to using Canary Tokens), and the key copied. It is, at best, a way to hear someone knocking. On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 15:59 Stefan R. Filipek wrote: > There's a blog post going around that

Is siteXX.tgz working in snapshots?

2019-05-08 Thread Greg Steuck
I have a script[1] which I run when "things change" to keep openbsd syzbot current. Something changed between Apr 2 and now that made my install procedure no longer execute install.site which I pack into siteXX.tgz. I checked that siteXX is making it into the iso image that I use for installation

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread Charles
I'd like to chime in here, on a slightly different subject. I think the OP (Clark) raises a point, but I suggest he's coming it from the wrong angle. I think there's something here to discuss that I have not seen mentioned in this thread thus far. TL;DR: the OpenBSD (and friends) way of thinking

SSH "Honey Keys" Security

2019-05-08 Thread Stefan R. Filipek
There's a blog post going around that has an interesting use of SSH authorized_keys restrict + command: https://kulinacs.com/ssh-honey-keys/ If you don't want to follow the link, it basically uses the well-documented authorized_keys feature to restrict a login for an ssh key to invoking a single

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread chohag
noah pugsley writes: > Updated FVWM or a different default config? > > Sent from mobile. >   Original Message   > From: Christopher Turkel > Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 04:22 > Cc: OpenBSD Misc > Subject: Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD? > > I'd like to see an

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread Christopher Turkel
I'm in favor of an updated FVWM with a simple config. On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 5:43 PM Matthew Graybosch wrote: > On Wed, May 8, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Roderick wrote: > > > > On Wed, 8 May 2019, noah pugsley wrote: > > > > > Updated FVWM or a different default config? > > > > I hope, no one comes to

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread Matthew Graybosch
On Wed, May 8, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Roderick wrote: > > On Wed, 8 May 2019, noah pugsley wrote: > > > Updated FVWM or a different default config? > > I hope, no one comes to the idea to change the configuration. I'm not really fussed about the default FVWM config; it's easy enough to pull a copy

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread Roderick
On Wed, 8 May 2019, noah pugsley wrote: Updated FVWM or a different default config? I hope, no one comes to the idea to change the configuration. In FreeBSD fvwm is awful configurated and I do not want to waste my time configurating it. That is why I use there twm (easy to configure).

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread noah pugsley
Updated FVWM or a different default config? Sent from mobile.   Original Message   From: Christopher Turkel Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 04:22 Cc: OpenBSD Misc Subject: Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD? I'd like to see an updated FVWM as the default WM. On Wed,

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread Steve Litt
If you do that, you'd better crank way up on its fonts. Fvwm fonts are so small that if you have bad vision, you can't read the screen well enough to increase the font size. It's easy for a well-sighted person to reduce fonts, but for the poorly sighted person who can't read the screen in the

Re: May 7 snap broken, ld.so: ld: can't load library 'libc++.so.2.2'

2019-05-08 Thread Sebastian Benoit
Greg Steuck(g...@nest.cx) on 2019.05.07 19:23:03 -0700: > This is presumably already fixed by "Sync after libc++ bump", but in case > somebody else hits it... > > The amd64 snapshot with this signature: >

Re: X hangs again while on integrated

2019-05-08 Thread Jeremy O'Brien
On Wed, May 8, 2019, at 03:59, Gregory Edigarov wrote: > > On 07.05.19 11:39, Gregory Edigarov wrote: > > I've got some more info on this. > > > > tried to run X with tiling wms: spectrwm (my main wm), dwm, i3 - all > > hang absolutely the same way. (see my last mail with X backtraced) > > > >

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread Eric Furman
On Wed, May 8, 2019, at 7:38 AM, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > > When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD? > > I think it is important to keep in mind that in order to achieve > *anything* in the OpenBSD project (or other open source projects for > that matter) the way forward

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread Roderick
On Wed, 8 May 2019, ropers wrote: Tangentially related: Does anyone here routinely use the default fvwm? Yes, routinely default fvwm, also twm, and nothing else. Not only with OpenBSD. Rodrigo

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread James Cass
I love the default minimalism, simplicity and freedom of OpenBSD to make it how I want it. My "Perfect OpenBSD": spectrwm, dmenu, urxvt (with perl tabbing), tmux, etc. On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 7:40 AM Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > > When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD? > >

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
> When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD? I think it is important to keep in mind that in order to achieve *anything* in the OpenBSD project (or other open source projects for that matter) the way forward is to work *with*, not against, the developers and their code. The

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread Christopher Turkel
I'd like to see an updated FVWM as the default WM. On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 7:18 AM Mohamed Fouad < mohamed.ahmed.fouad@gmail.com> wrote: > if you are suggesting updating the openbsd installer to include dwm as an > option. Even that it adds one more click to the installation process, it >

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread Mohamed Fouad
if you are suggesting updating the openbsd installer to include dwm as an option. Even that it adds one more click to the installation process, it would work as a sharm for some people :P On Tue, 7 May 2019, 2:04 am Clark Block In 2019 still there is not a great desktop experience for NetBSD.

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread ropers
On 08/05/2019, noah pugsley wrote: > You know, I guess it's just personal convention from habit. I think I > started doing that way back before I could remember how the redirects work > ‎without looking them up. Too lazy to change now. > > So yeah, if you're trying to divine something clever

Re: X hangs again while on integrated

2019-05-08 Thread Gregory Edigarov
On 07.05.19 11:39, Gregory Edigarov wrote: I've got some more info on this. tried to run X with tiling wms: spectrwm (my main wm), dwm, i3 - all hang absolutely the same way. (see my last mail with X backtraced) then I've tried fvwm - works cwm - works kde & gnome - both work flawlessly.

Re: dmenu: was When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread Péter Bertalan Zoltán
On 2019-05-07, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 07 May 2019 14:47:15 -0500 Edgar Pettijohn wrote: I use dwm on everything so my desktop experience is the same everywhere. Just the man I want to talk to. Do you have dmenu running on OpenBSD? Did you need to make adjustments for ksh instead of sh

Re: Upgrade procedure (6.4 -> 6.5)

2019-05-08 Thread Dumitru Moldovan
On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 08:15:16PM -0400, Nick Holland wrote: On 5/7/19 8:32 AM, Dumitru Moldovan wrote: On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 05:05:11PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote: Hi, Consus wrote on Fri, May 03, 2019 at 02:24:10PM +0300: Maybe it's a good idea to note this on the upgrade page?

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-08 Thread Consus
On 02:01 Tue 07 May, Clark Block wrote: > When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD? After binary package updates will be out-of-box, without using third-party M:Tier.