Re: Firewall question: is using a NIC with multiple jacks considered insecure?

2015-07-27 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2015-07-27, Quartz qua...@sneakertech.com wrote: Some years ago I remember reading that when using OpenBSD (or any OS, really) as a router+firewall it was considered inadvisable from a security standpoint to have the different networks all attached to a single network card with multiple

Re: Firewall question: is using a NIC with multiple jacks considered insecure?

2015-07-27 Thread Quartz
turning out rather difficult to find a case that's small enough to fit. I'd really like to use an itx system with multiple onboard ethernet jacks and cram it into something like a MiniBox M350 or Antec ISK110, but I'm not sure A Lanner FW7525 or even an Alix APU don't seem to be much larger...

Re: Firewall question: is using a NIC with multiple jacks considered insecure?

2015-07-27 Thread Kimmo Paasiala
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Quartz qua...@sneakertech.com wrote: Some years ago I remember reading that when using OpenBSD (or any OS, really) as a router+firewall it was considered inadvisable from a security standpoint to have the different networks all attached to a single network

Re: Firewall question: is using a NIC with multiple jacks considered insecure?

2015-07-27 Thread Martin Schröder
2015-07-27 11:46 GMT+02:00 Quartz qua...@sneakertech.com: turning out rather difficult to find a case that's small enough to fit. I'd really like to use an itx system with multiple onboard ethernet jacks and cram it into something like a MiniBox M350 or Antec ISK110, but I'm not sure A Lanner

Re: Firewall question: is using a NIC with multiple jacks considered insecure?

2015-07-27 Thread Raul Miller
Though, of course, if you have been actively developing your system, or if you have already been subject to other root attempts, a root attempt runs a significant risk of crashing it. (And if you have been developing a lot, there's a decent chance you'll have already crashed it so many times that

Re: Firewall question: is using a NIC with multiple jacks considered insecure?

2015-07-27 Thread Maxim Khitrov
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Christian Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de wrote: On 2015-07-27, Quartz qua...@sneakertech.com wrote: Some years ago I remember reading that when using OpenBSD (or any OS, really) as a router+firewall it was considered inadvisable from a security standpoint to

Re: Firewall question: is using a NIC with multiple jacks considered insecure?

2015-07-27 Thread Quartz
It is certainly possible theoretically but you'll have to go to very great lengths to imagine a scenario where a remote attacker could exploit such a flaw. It's next to impossible identify the make and model of the NIC that holds an IP address (if it is even directly bound to a NIC, CARP and

Re: Firewall question: is using a NIC with multiple jacks considered insecure?

2015-07-27 Thread Joseph Crivello
If someone successfully attacks the firmware on any of your network cards, you are screwed no matter what. Any modern network card is going to have the ability to issue DMAs and can easily root your entire system.

Re: Firewall question: is using a NIC with multiple jacks considered insecure?

2015-07-27 Thread Quartz
These days you have bypass features in hardware that allow packets to flow from one interface to another even if the firewall is turned off. Can you elaborate on this? Also, that brings up another point wrt motherboards with multiple jacks; are bios attacks something to worry about?

Re: Firewall question: is using a NIC with multiple jacks considered insecure?

2015-07-27 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2015-07-27, Quartz qua...@sneakertech.com wrote: This is a little off-topic, but I should clarify that although this device's primary purpose is a firewall+router, it also has to provide a handful of other network related services that set a few requirements vis a vis hardware. Depends

Re: Firewall question: is using a NIC with multiple jacks considered insecure?

2015-07-27 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Em 27-07-2015 09:13, Kimmo Paasiala escreveu: It's next to impossible identify the make and model of the NIC that holds an IP address With IPv6 and poor configuration, a remote attacker already have that information. MAC addresses reveal a lot of information about a NIC. Cheers, Giancarlo

Re: Firewall question: is using a NIC with multiple jacks considered insecure?

2015-07-27 Thread Maxim Khitrov
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Quartz qua...@sneakertech.com wrote: These days you have bypass features in hardware that allow packets to flow from one interface to another even if the firewall is turned off. Can you elaborate on this? Search for intel nic bypass mode and you'll find lots

Re: Firewall question: is using a NIC with multiple jacks considered insecure?

2015-07-27 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Joseph Crivello [josephcrive...@gmail.com] wrote: If someone successfully attacks the firmware on any of your network cards, you are screwed no matter what. Any modern network card is going to have the ability to issue DMAs and can easily root your entire system. If you are running OpenBSD

Re: Firewall question: is using a NIC with multiple jacks considered insecure?

2015-07-27 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Joseph Crivello josephcrive...@gmail.com wrote: If someone successfully attacks the firmware on any of your network cards, you are screwed no matter what. Any modern network card is going to have the ability to issue DMAs and can easily root your entire

Firewall question: is using a NIC with multiple jacks considered insecure?

2015-07-27 Thread Quartz
Some years ago I remember reading that when using OpenBSD (or any OS, really) as a router+firewall it was considered inadvisable from a security standpoint to have the different networks all attached to a single network card with multiple ethernet ports. The thinking being that it was