On Dec 13, 2007 7:39 PM, Jeremy Huiskamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a simple
> > interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They deserve
> > windows,
> > and they deserve pop up buttong in their browsers that they click
> >
* Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-12-13 21:46]:
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:22:07PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > > When I read that, it sounded a lot to me like saying "if you're not a
> > > skilled medical practitioner, you don't deserve decent health care."
> > > Seems to me o
> > Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a
> > simple interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They
> > deserve windows, and they deserve pop up buttong in their browsers
> > that they click ok blindly for everything.
I couldn't agree more, people expect that the
Mathieu Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I disagree.
> >
> > A complex interface implies a lot of code. a lot of code
> > leads to unreliablity, either through bugs or detracting valuable
> > developer time from more important things
> >
> > A simple interface (well designed)
On 12/13/07, Jeremy Huiskamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a simple
> > interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They deserve
>
> When I read that, it sounded a lot to me like saying "if you're not a
> skilled medical practi
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:22:07PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > When I read that, it sounded a lot to me like saying "if you're not a
> > skilled medical practitioner, you don't deserve decent health care."
> > Seems to me one of the better aspects of our society is our ability
> > to all
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 09:40:43AM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
> > Le mercredi 12 dC)cembre 2007 C 11:22 -0800, Ted Unangst a C)crit :
> > > On 12/12/07, Mathieu Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I agree "easy to use" and sampl
On 13-Dec-07, at 10:22 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote:
When I read that, it sounded a lot to me like saying "if you're not a
skilled medical practitioner, you don't deserve decent health care."
Seems to me one of the better aspects of our society is our ability
to allow specialists to provide good servi
Jeremy Huiskamp wrote:
On 13-Dec-07, at 11:11 AM, Bob Beck wrote:
If you like the current way it works, you should be able to continue
with this system. But what if my mum, who has low computer skill, would
like to install a free, functional and secure system? I think the
software should help h
> When I read that, it sounded a lot to me like saying "if you're not a
> skilled medical practitioner, you don't deserve decent health care."
> Seems to me one of the better aspects of our society is our ability
> to allow specialists to provide good services to non-specialists (or
> at l
On 13-Dec-07, at 11:11 AM, Bob Beck wrote:
If you like the current way it works, you should be able to continue
with this system. But what if my mum, who has low computer skill,
would
like to install a free, functional and secure system? I think the
software should help her to make the most a
Nick Holland wrote:
Daniel Ouellet wrote:
Bob Beck wrote:
Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a simple
interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They deserve windows,
and they deserve pop up buttong in their browsers that they click ok blindly
for everyth
Daniel Ouellet wrote:
> Bob Beck wrote:
>> Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a simple
>> interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They deserve windows,
>> and they deserve pop up buttong in their browsers that they click ok blindly
>> for everything.
>
> I
Bob Beck wrote:
Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a simple
interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They deserve windows,
and they deserve pop up buttong in their browsers that they click ok blindly
for everything.
I love this one. May be will need a
On Dec 13, 2007, at 12:40 AM, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
Le mercredi 12 dC)cembre 2007 C 11:22 -0800, Ted Unangst a C)crit :
On 12/12/07, Mathieu Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
To my mind software quality also depends on ease of us
> > Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a simple
> > interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They deserve windows,
> > and they deserve pop up buttong in their browsers that they click ok blindly
> > for everything.
> >
> > -Bob
>
> Do you apply this rea
> I disagree.
>
> A complex interface implies a lot of code. a lot of code
> leads to unreliablity, either through bugs or detracting valuable
> developer time from more important things
>
> A simple interface (well designed) imples less code, which leads
> to reliability.
So
On Dec 13, 2007 11:11 AM, Bob Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > If you like the current way it works, you should be able to continue
> > > with this system. But what if my mum, who has low computer skill, would
> > > like to install a free, functional and secure system? I think the
> > > softwa
> > If you like the current way it works, you should be able to continue
> > with this system. But what if my mum, who has low computer skill, would
> > like to install a free, functional and secure system? I think the
> > software should help her to make the most accurate choices. Because I
> > th
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:44:35 +0100
Mathieu Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> I agree "easy to use" and sample are not the same for everyone. That's
> why, to my mind, a good installer should provide several methods to
> install.
>
> If you like the current way it works, you should be ab
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
> Le mercredi 12 dC)cembre 2007 C 11:22 -0800, Ted Unangst a C)crit :
> > On 12/12/07, Mathieu Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > To my mind software quality also depends on ease of use. So I would be
> > > happy to help improve
Le mercredi 12 dC)cembre 2007 C 11:22 -0800, Ted Unangst a C)crit :
> On 12/12/07, Mathieu Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > To my mind software quality also depends on ease of use. So I would be
> > happy to help improve OpenBSD by making it easier to install and use.
> > But I don't know if
On 12/12/07, Mathieu Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To my mind software quality also depends on ease of use. So I would be
> happy to help improve OpenBSD by making it easier to install and use.
> But I don't know if you would be interesting by this kind of
> 'improvement'. I don't want to was
On Dec 12, 2007 6:31 PM, Mathieu Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> First I apologize if this is not the good address to post this kind of
> message. I didn't find a 'getting involved' link on the 0penBSD website.
>
> Well, OpenBSD seems to care about quality, so as a developper I thoug
* Mathieu Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-12-12 11:23]:
> Hello,
>
> First I apologize if this is not the good address to post this kind of
> message. I didn't find a 'getting involved' link on the 0penBSD website.
>
> Well, OpenBSD seems to care about quality, so as a developper I thought
> thi
1. Pick an area that you are interested in.
2. Fix bug / add useful (non superfluous feature)
3. Send diff to tech@
4. Await flames or see diff getting committed
5. Repeat several time until someone notices good quality and you'll get
invited to play
We are always looking for good people.
On W
Hello,
First I apologize if this is not the good address to post this kind of
message. I didn't find a 'getting involved' link on the 0penBSD website.
Well, OpenBSD seems to care about quality, so as a developper I thought
this would be a good place to learn how to write better software.
To my m
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