Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-31 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 11:35:49PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Then there's aesthetics. I learn best by understanding. Since UNIX culture was born on slow (by today's standards) machines, why not learn in that mode to start? What steps would I skip if my machine is too slow if I'm

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-30 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 12:44:46PM -0400, Nick Holland wrote: Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 10:49 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 06:56:32AM -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 22:37 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I've got

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-25 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 10:49 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 06:56:32AM -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 22:37 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Hello, I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840 MB and 1280 MB IDE.

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-25 Thread Nick Holland
Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 10:49 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 06:56:32AM -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 22:37 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Hello, I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-25 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 12:44 -0400, Nick Holland wrote: 32M is at a point where if it isn't enough, you need a better machine. Tweaking the kernel to make it run better in 32M is just perfume on the pig. If that's what you need to do, get a less smelly pig. Wow, I guess back in the day, I had

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-23 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 22:37 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Hello, I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840 MB and 1280 MB IDE. Currently running Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. [...] Debian Etch will need more than 32 MB ram so am starting the planning. I've

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-23 Thread Steve Shockley
Shawn K. Quinn wrote: Assuming you don't try to do more with it than you have CPU and RAM for, you should be fine. However, once you've tested that all your hardware works with the GENERIC kernel, I would strongly recommend you compile a custom kernel and run that (do a Web search for a Perl

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-23 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 06:56:32AM -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 22:37 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Hello, I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840 MB and 1280 MB IDE. Currently running Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. Assuming you don't

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-23 Thread Henning Brauer
* Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-23 16:12]: I thought compiling a custom kernel was _discouraged_? so is giving bad advice on mailing lists. yet, people keep doing both. I see no reason not to use GENERIC on a 32MB system. -- Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-22 Thread Jonathan Thornburg
In message http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=117452881511952w=1, Douglas Allan Tutty dtutty () porchlight ! ca asked I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840 MB and 1280 MB IDE. Currently running Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. Box has two uses: under normal

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-22 Thread Liviu Daia
On 21 March 2007, Travers Buda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-21 22:37:01]: Hello, I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840 MB and 1280 MB IDE. Currently running Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. *snip* Is there any

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 10:16:24PM -0500, Travers Buda wrote: * Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-21 22:37:01]: I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840 MB and 1280 MB IDE. Currently running Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. *snip* Is there any reason

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-22 Thread Open Phugu
On 3/22/07, Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean OpenBSD has encrypted swap out-of-the-box? That's fantastic. It took a while to set up on my debian etch box. That is why we call it ``secure by default''

Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-21 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
Hello, I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840 MB and 1280 MB IDE. Currently running Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. Box has two uses: under normal cirumstance, as a thin client to my athlon box elsewhere in the house. As a toolbox incase anything

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-21 Thread Nick !
On 3/21/07, Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840 MB and 1280 MB IDE. Currently running Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. Is there any reason that OpenBSD wouldn't be my best choice for this box? I've heard rumours on

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-21 Thread Travers Buda
* Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-21 22:37:01]: Hello, I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840 MB and 1280 MB IDE. Currently running Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. *snip* Is there any reason that OpenBSD wouldn't be my best choice for this box?

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-21 Thread Nick Holland
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Hello, I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840 MB and 1280 MB IDE. Currently running Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. Box has two uses: under normal cirumstance, as a thin client to my athlon box elsewhere in the house.

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-21 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 10:37:01PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Hello, I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840 MB and 1280 MB IDE. Currently running Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. Box has two uses: under normal cirumstance, as a thin client to my

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-21 Thread Travers Buda
* Darrin Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-21 20:31:57]: Given the uses you want, you're probably going to say yes to sshd during install. When you reboot after install it'll generate keys. Plan to go have supper around then. ;) Any further rebooting won't have that penalty. Or, if

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

2007-03-21 Thread David Terrell
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 10:37:01PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Hello, I've got a 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus, with two drives: 840 MB and 1280 MB IDE. Currently running Debian GNU/Linux Sarge. I've installed and run on 16M of RAM in the last 3 years. If perchance the install