Re: Qubes-OS is "fake" security

2017-05-13 Thread flipchan
Why not just run the browser on ur regular openbsd desktop computer but run it with chroot/bubblewrap/firejail so that even if it will execute some Java cancer (all Java is cancer^^) that will rm -rf / your system won't be fucked On May 12, 2017 3:41:05 AM GMT+02:00, Kim Blackwood

Re: Qubes-OS is "fake" security

2017-05-13 Thread Jiri B
On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 03:41:05AM +0200, Kim Blackwood wrote: > [...] > Qubes-OS seems to me as a solution of "patching". IMO this is real point in this thread - virtualization as a security meansure against buggy software doesn't make any change to that software. Virtualization or containers

Re: Qubes-OS is "fake" security

2017-05-13 Thread bytevolcano
Virtualization has its uses though, despite the hype. It is good for testing different system configurations before deployment, and is also a good way to save on physical resources for configuring multiple low-usage services that may require different OS or system config, such that it is not

Re: Qubes-OS is "fake" security

2017-05-12 Thread valerij zaporogeci
"just a bunch of masturbating monkeys." this is the best definition of Hardware Virtualization hype. 2017-05-12 22:20 GMT+03:00, Daniel Ouellet : > May I suggest you go read the FAQ before you spread misinformation. Qubes > doesn't use KVM, it's built on Xen, and calling it

Re: Qubes-OS is "fake" security

2017-05-12 Thread Daniel Ouellet
May I suggest you go read the FAQ before you spread misinformation. Qubes doesn't use KVM, it's built on Xen, and calling it just a GUI is like calling OpenBSD just a bunch of masturbating monkeys. > On May 12, 2017, at 2:37 PM, flipchan wrote: > > Qubes os is just linux

Re: Qubes-OS is "fake" security

2017-05-12 Thread flipchan
Qubes os is just linux with a gui for some kvm vms(it sux) On May 12, 2017 5:57:11 PM GMT+02:00, I love OpenBSD wrote: > >Both OpenBSD and Qubes OS don't guarantee >perfect security. >Qubes OS has a different take on security >than OpenBSD. Both have different >advantages

Re: Qubes-OS is "fake" security

2017-05-12 Thread I love OpenBSD
Both OpenBSD and Qubes OS don't guarantee perfect security. Qubes OS has a different take on security than OpenBSD. Both have different advantages and disadvantages. Physical separation is more expensive and you need to transport more devices from place to place. Qubes OS lets you run mainstream

Re: Qubes-OS is "fake" security

2017-05-11 Thread Florian Ermisch
Sorry, out of herrings. Have a listen to this instead: "Risky Biz Soap Box: A microvirtualisation primer with Bromium co-founder Ian Pratt (a.k.a. how to run Java plugin on IE8 and not die!)" https://risky.biz/soapbox3/ Am 12. Mai 2017 03:41:05 MESZ schrieb Kim Blackwood

Qubes-OS is "fake" security

2017-05-11 Thread Kim Blackwood
Hi, I am at novice level of security, studying and trying to understand some of the different aspects of running an OS and applications as securely as possible. I have been running OpenBSD for years and understand a little of what's being done to make it more secure, albeit not the technical

Re: Qubes-OS is "fake" security

2017-05-11 Thread Daniel Jakots
il [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 From: Kim Blackwood <bluechildcry...@yandex.com> To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Qubes-OS is "fake" security Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 03:41:05 +0200 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Is it the holidays or something?