Your web development opinions

2011-02-23 Thread Tomas Vavrys
Hi, what does OpenBSD community think about new trends in web development HTML5, javascript (jquery), AJAX? Do you block javascript? If so, do you mind to turn it on sometimes? What browser do you use (lynx, firefox, chromium, ...)? I am learning Django at the moment and I would like to know more

Re: Your web development opinions

2011-02-23 Thread Ana Zgombic
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Tomas Vavrys wrote: > Hi, > > what does OpenBSD community think about new trends in web development > HTML5, javascript (jquery), AJAX? Do you block javascript? If so, do lots of code. lots of untested code. yes, i block javascript. my blood temp rises a bit when

Re: Your web development opinions

2011-02-23 Thread Chris Bennett
> They're a fucking disaster security-wise. +1 > In general, blocking javascript won't get you too far, because most of the > issues are not in the client, but rather in the use that's made of javascript. I basically block javascript to stop some adveritising and keep some sites from crashing f

Re: Your web development opinions

2011-02-23 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:04:58 +0100 Tomas Vavrys wrote: > Hi, > > what does OpenBSD community think about new trends in web development > HTML5, javascript (jquery), AJAX? Do you block javascript? If so, do > you mind to turn it on sometimes? What browser do you use (lynx, > firefox, chromium, ...

Re: Your web development opinions

2011-02-23 Thread Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
On 02/23/2011 08:59 AM, Ana Zgombic wrote: >> > you mind to turn it on sometimes? What browser do you use (lynx, >> > firefox, chromium, ...)? > not much choice. firefox. > Regrettably, it is. Firefox is now more about: * "users are too stupid to read" * "let's not have any buttons so user's

Re: Your web development opinions

2011-02-23 Thread Daniel Ouellet
On 2/23/11 5:34 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: On 02/23/2011 08:59 AM, Ana Zgombic wrote: you mind to turn it on sometimes? What browser do you use (lynx, firefox, chromium, ...)? not much choice. firefox. Regrettably, it is. Firefox is now more about: * "users are too stupid to read"

Re: Your web development opinions

2011-02-23 Thread Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
On 23/02/11 20:56, Andres Perera wrote: > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera > wrote: >> On 02/23/2011 10:35 AM, Chris Bennett wrote: They're a fucking disaster security-wise. >>> >>> +1 >>> In general, blocking javascript won't get you too far, because most of the >>>

Re: Your web development opinions

2011-02-23 Thread Andres Perera
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: > On 23/02/11 20:56, Andres Perera wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera >> wrote: >>> On 02/23/2011 10:35 AM, Chris Bennett wrote: > They're a fucking disaster security-wise. +1 > In gen

OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-02-23 Thread Olivier Mehani
Just some OT thoughts. On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 07:35:19AM -0600, Chris Bennett wrote: > CA's cannot be trusted to even pay attention to carefully securing > your certificate. Here in the US, the government can simply ask for > your certificate and get it ( and possibly even use it to impersonate

Re: OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-06-02 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:05:09 -0300 Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: > http://www.startssl.com/ > Why pay if you can have one for free trusted by every major browser? > Sure, the "class 2" ones are pay-for, but the free one works as well as I have it working on relayd with a clean firefox profile autom

Re: OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-06-02 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:51:42 + Kevin Chadwick wrote: > Can someone confirm that they have a default Opera working with a > startcom ssl certificate via relayd. Does anyone know if Iphones should work too? Though i don't know if they even have the root cert.

Re: OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-02-23 Thread Andres Perera
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Olivier Mehani wrote: > Just some OT thoughts. > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 07:35:19AM -0600, Chris Bennett wrote: >> CA's cannot be trusted to even pay attention to carefully securing >> your certificate. B Here in the US, the government can simply ask for >> your

Re: OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-02-24 Thread Marc Espie
I think your guys are into elaborate schemes and totally forgetting low-level tech/social engineering attack. Remember that most people out there don't understand https, they will just see that little lock and think "I'm secure"... yeah, sure, from 3rd party. But it's so easy to set up a fake site

Re: OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-02-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:16:36 +0100 Marc Espie wrote: > the fact that most people reuse the same password, You hear about that now said to be non existent security firm that was helping the fbi track down a support group of wkileaks called anonymous and ended up with all their email on wikileaks b

Re: OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-02-24 Thread Chris Bennett
I am going to point out another factor in my reasoning: Basically, there is no reason to assume that my self-signed certificate is any less secure than paying someone who is in a browsers root certificates. As a contractor in construction, one article I wrote for my potential customers is how to

Re: OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-02-24 Thread Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
On 02/24/2011 11:59 AM, Chris Bennett wrote: > I am going to point out another factor in my reasoning: > Basically, there is no reason to assume that my self-signed certificate is > any less secure than paying someone who is in a browsers root certificates. > > As a contractor in construction, on

Re: OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-02-24 Thread Chris Bennett
> http://www.startssl.com/ > Why pay if you can have one for free trusted by every major browser? > Sure, the "class 2" ones are pay-for, but the free one works as well as > a self-signed one (except for the "CA sells out like paypal" idea, which > I admit is possible, though, in the US, the govern

Re: OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-02-24 Thread Alexander Hall
On 02/24/11 17:50, Chris Bennett wrote: >> http://www.startssl.com/ >> Why pay if you can have one for free trusted by every major browser? >> Sure, the "class 2" ones are pay-for, but the free one works as well as >> a self-signed one (except for the "CA sells out like paypal" idea, which >> I adm

Re: OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-02-24 Thread Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
On 02/24/2011 01:50 PM, Chris Bennett wrote: >> http://www.startssl.com/ >> Why pay if you can have one for free trusted by every major browser? >> Sure, the "class 2" ones are pay-for, but the free one works as well as >> a self-signed one (except for the "CA sells out like paypal" idea, which >>

Re: OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-02-26 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Am 24.02.2011 um 18:34 schrieb Hugo Osvaldo Barrera: > I use their web interface to generate them. It gets stuck sometime, buy > usually works. (Yeah, it's definitely not the best). Letting them generate one is a stupid idea - then they got your private key. Better is it to just send them a CSR.

Re: OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-02-27 Thread Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
On 26/02/11 19:21, Jonathan Schleifer wrote: > Am 24.02.2011 um 18:34 schrieb Hugo Osvaldo Barrera: > >> I use their web interface to generate them. It gets stuck sometime, buy >> usually works. (Yeah, it's definitely not the best). > > Letting them generate one is a stupid idea - then they got

Re: OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-03-02 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Am 28.02.2011 um 03:10 schrieb Hugo Osvaldo Barrera: > You CAN submit the CSR through the web interface. Nobody doubted that. -- Jonathan [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of PGP.sig]

Re: OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-03-22 Thread Ciprian Dorin Craciun
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 15:51, Olivier Mehani wrote: > Just some OT thoughts. > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 07:35:19AM -0600, Chris Bennett wrote: >> CA's cannot be trusted to even pay attention to carefully securing >> your certificate. B Here in the US, the government can simply ask for >> your ce

Re: OT: Risks of CAs (Re: Your web development opinions)

2011-03-22 Thread Olivier Mehani
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 05:33:01PM +0200, Ciprian Dorin Craciun wrote: > >> CA's cannot be trusted to even pay attention to carefully securing > >> your certificate. B Here in the US, the government can simply ask > >> for your certificate and get it ( and possibly even use it to > >> impersonate y