Re: ftps?

2012-11-30 Thread Chris Smith
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > Not exactly, but you might be able to do something with this, *before* > your ftp-proxy rule: > > pass out quick proto tcp to 0.0.0.0/0 port 8821 rdr-to 0.0.0.0/0 port 21 > bitmask > > Then if you tell your ftp client to connect to port 8

Re: ftps?

2012-11-30 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2012-11-29, Chris Smith wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Chris Smith > wrote: >> Looks like skipping ftp-proxy for that target address works. Thanks! > > Is there any way to make this work automagically for ftps? > Right now I'm doing this: >

Re: ftps?

2012-11-30 Thread Franco Fichtner
On Nov 29, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> Because they can just hack it on top of their crusty old ftp server >> software, whereas using sftp would need much bigger changes? > > SSL/TLS makes everything more secure And DPI-based products are slow to fix their issues caused by th

Re: ftps?

2012-11-29 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> >Because they can just hack it on top of their crusty old ftp server > >software, whereas using sftp would need much bigger changes? > > SSL/TLS makes everything more secure Never more so than when HSTS is enabled and you can't access paypal because your clock is wrong due to a dead bios

Re: ftps?

2012-11-29 Thread Theo de Raadt
>Because they can just hack it on top of their crusty old ftp server >software, whereas using sftp would need much bigger changes? SSL/TLS makes everything more secure

Re: ftps?

2012-11-29 Thread Chris Smith
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Chris Smith wrote: > Looks like skipping ftp-proxy for that target address works. Thanks! Is there any way to make this work automagically for ftps? Right now I'm doing this: anchor "ftp-proxy/*" pass in quick on

Re: ftps?

2012-11-29 Thread Joakim Aronius
* Stuart Henderson (s...@spacehopper.org) wrote: > On 2012-11-28, Chris Smith wrote: > > Also wonder why anyone in their right mind would use FTPS!? > > Because they can just hack it on top of their crusty old ftp server > software, whereas using sftp would need much big

Re: ftps?

2012-11-28 Thread Chris Smith
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: > Since you say this works with a standard home router, have you checked > if maybe the server software uses nat pmp or something similar for port > redirection? I tested it with an Asus RT-AC66U with its UPnP feature disabled and it wo

Re: ftps?

2012-11-28 Thread Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
On 2012-11-28 14:33, Chris Smith wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Stuart Henderson > wrote: >> If the control connection is encrypted as with ftp+tls, then ftp-proxy >> *cannot* work, as it cannot read the commands. So, if this is with NAT, >> you can't rely on ftp-proxy to fix things up

Re: ftps?

2012-11-28 Thread Chris Smith
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > If the control connection is encrypted as with ftp+tls, then ftp-proxy > *cannot* work, as it cannot read the commands. So, if this is with NAT, > you can't rely on ftp-proxy to fix things up, you will need ftp+tls > software where you can

Re: ftps?

2012-11-28 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2012-11-28, Chris Smith wrote: > Having some issues with a client system attempting to use a product called > MoveItFreely to connect to server via FTPS (FTP with TLS). The firewall is > running a snapshot from April, 3 2011 of version 4.9. > > I have added a pass rule for the

ftps?

2012-11-27 Thread Chris Smith
Having some issues with a client system attempting to use a product called MoveItFreely to connect to server via FTPS (FTP with TLS). The firewall is running a snapshot from April, 3 2011 of version 4.9. I have added a pass rule for the additional (to port 21) requested ports of 989, 990, and

OT: article comparing SFTP vs FTPS

2010-01-21 Thread Lars Nooden
Can anyone point to an article comparing the protocols SFTP and FTPS that meets all four of the following criteria? a. is well-written b. contains accurate information c. contains uptodate information, not ten years out of date d. is authoritative

Re: FTPS recommendations?

2005-08-02 Thread Bob Bostwick \(Lists\)
>> I am implementing an FTP server and need it to use SSL/TLS. I >> know ftpd doesn't support this, and was wondering if anyone had any >> suggestions on an alternative. I know SFTP exists, but that is not an >> option, as the clients are not going to change. I know pure-ftpd >> supports th

Re: FTPS recommendations?]

2005-08-02 Thread Bob Bostwick \(Lists\)
Just in case you don't know, "scponly" works great. In our datacenter we need to give users access to "ftp" but we also need a secure access. Since the users are not allowed to gain SSH access we use the "scponly" solution. I did not know that, and will look into t

Re: FTPS recommendations?

2005-08-02 Thread Bob Bostwick
It would be sweet if "we" could just simply set the users shell to usr/bin/false to prevent ssh while still allowing scp/sftp. I've got a hunch doing this involves non-trival code changes. That's what I was lead to believe as well. My users will never be connecting anonym

Re: [Re: FTPS recommendations?]

2005-08-02 Thread Andreas Bartelt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [very long...] I haven't followed this thread thoroughly, but systrace(1) is part of the base system. regards, Andreas

Re: [Re: FTPS recommendations?]

2005-08-02 Thread sebastian . rother
> another potential problem with FTPS vs. SFTP is > firewalling. SFTP needs just one port, FTPS needs > several, as its really just 'good' ole ftp. And I > would certainly be curious how you would proxy an > encrypted ftp connection > > -Matt You're ri

Re: [Re: FTPS recommendations?]

2005-08-02 Thread Matt R
another potential problem with FTPS vs. SFTP is firewalling. SFTP needs just one port, FTPS needs several, as its really just 'good' ole ftp. And I would certainly be curious how you would proxy an encrypted ftp connection.

Re: FTPS recommendations?

2005-08-02 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:15:04 -0400, Steve Shockley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >J.C. Roberts wrote: >> I don't mean to be confrontational but personally I didn't think there >> was any point in securing anon/public access? > >Does FTP in SSL/TLS verify certificates? It could be used to verify >th

Re: [Re: FTPS recommendations?]

2005-08-02 Thread Alexander Farber
http://winscp.sf.net

Re: FTPS recommendations?

2005-08-01 Thread Steve Shockley
J.C. Roberts wrote: > I don't mean to be confrontational but personally I didn't think there > was any point in securing anon/public access? Does FTP in SSL/TLS verify certificates? It could be used to verify that the server you're connecting to is actually the server you think it is. (IOW, sig

[Re: FTPS recommendations?]

2005-08-01 Thread Rico
I'm sorry but there's no e.g. official "AnnonSFTP"-Patch/Modification for OpenSSH. As far as I know you're not able to splitt the SFTP from the SSH-Account (I don't mention any unofficial Patchs wich may work). Hi, Just in case you don't know, "scponly" works great. In our datacenter we need t

Re: FTPS recommendations?

2005-08-01 Thread J.C. Roberts
ox on the net supporting an >>>> outdated, insecure and most importantly, difficult (often blocked or >>>> messed up by NAT) protocol. Wrapping FTP in SSL/TLS dose help some of >>>> the problems but it does not solve all of them. >>>> >>>> Kind Re

Re: FTPS recommendations?

2005-08-01 Thread Stuart Henderson
--On 01 August 2005 16:24 -0700, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: The point of anonymous access is to provide content to "anyone at large", regardless their identity. So if you are using encryption to make sure that "not just anyone at large" can see the data, you're dealing with two mutually exclus

Re: FTPS recommendations?

2005-08-01 Thread Spruell, Darren-Perot
> Or if I do e.g. a little Webhosting Service. I wont give my > users an SSH > so I've to choose FTPS even it's not as secure as SFTP. > > So it dosn't just deal with anonymous connections. Why does it need to deal with anonymous connections? The point of anonymous

Re: FTPS recommendations?

2005-08-01 Thread sebastian . rother
/TLS dose help some of >>> the problems but it does not solve all of them. >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> JCR >> >>I'm sorry but there's no e.g. official "AnnonSFTP"-Patch/Modification for >>OpenSSH. As far as I know you're not a

Re: FTPS recommendations?

2005-08-01 Thread J.C. Roberts
ards, >> JCR > >I'm sorry but there's no e.g. official "AnnonSFTP"-Patch/Modification for >OpenSSH. As far as I know you're not able to splitt the SFTP from the >SSH-Account (I don't mention any unofficial Patchs wich may work). > >That'

Re: FTPS recommendations?

2005-08-01 Thread sebastian . rother
y NAT) protocol. Wrapping FTP in SSL/TLS dose help some of > the problems but it does not solve all of them. > > Kind Regards, > JCR I'm sorry but there's no e.g. official "AnnonSFTP"-Patch/Modification for OpenSSH. As far as I know you're not able to splitt the SFT

Re: FTPS recommendations?

2005-08-01 Thread Will H. Backman
> Since FTP over SSL/TLS is going to require configuration changes on > the client side and possibly upgrades of client-side software, why not > just require a new client that supports SFTP? > OpenBSD ftp daemon rocks. If only OpenSSHd had the same config options for virtual hosts.

Re: FTPS recommendations?

2005-08-01 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:49:49 -0500, "Bob Bostwick \(Lists\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am implementing an FTP server and need it to use SSL/TLS. I >know ftpd doesn't support this, and was wondering if anyone had any >suggestions on an alternative. I know SFTP exists, but that is not an

Re: FTPS recommendations?

2005-08-01 Thread Spruell, Darren-Perot
ample. I think you might look at ProFTPd as well, IIRC it supports FTPS. DS

FTPS recommendations?

2005-08-01 Thread Bob Bostwick \(Lists\)
I am implementing an FTP server and need it to use SSL/TLS. I know ftpd doesn't support this, and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on an alternative. I know SFTP exists, but that is not an option, as the clients are not going to change. I know pure-ftpd supports this, but didn