Re: rhetorical strategies

2007-12-17 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 02:17:46PM -0600, Gregg Reynolds wrote: For GPL-licensed software I recommend the term covenant(ed) software. So-called free software, as rms uses the term, is totally dependent on the GPL, which leverages the State's monopoly on violence to compel modifiers of the

Re: rhetorical strategies

2007-12-17 Thread L
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 02:17:46PM -0600, Gregg Reynolds wrote: For GPL-licensed software I recommend the term covenant(ed) software. So-called free software, as rms uses the term, is totally dependent on the GPL, which leverages the State's monopoly on violence

Re: rhetorical strategies

2007-12-17 Thread L
The GPL is merely a covenant license which closes the (mathmatical definition alike) ring of Free Software so all operations don't create a derivate outside that definition. Ring of Stallmanism, not free software. Operations that use Free Software and result in non-Free Software (outside

Re: rhetorical strategies

2007-12-17 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 06:52:56AM -0700, L wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 02:17:46PM -0600, Gregg Reynolds wrote: For GPL-licensed software I recommend the term covenant(ed) software. So-called free software, as rms uses the term, is totally dependent on the

Re: rhetorical strategies

2007-12-17 Thread Marco Peereboom
blah blah blah As usual you keep repeating what you said before but it _still_ does not make it so. On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 03:30:45PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 06:52:56AM -0700, L wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 02:17:46PM

Re: rhetorical strategies

2007-12-17 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 09:30:32AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: blah blah blah As usual you keep repeating what you said before but it _still_ does not make it so. It's not that you disagree that 1000g = 1Kg, it's how rudely you can bash those who agree so. Rui -- Fnord. Today is

Re: rhetorical strategies

2007-12-17 Thread Marco Peereboom
Hey you said something that isnt complete bs! you get a cookie now! 1kg == 1000g! awesome! On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 04:44:00PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 09:30:32AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: blah blah blah As usual you keep repeating what you said

Re: rhetorical strategies

2007-12-17 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 12/17/07, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Free Software as Richard Stallman uses the term is BSD. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Uh-huh. Sure. Whatever. Z. From the above-mentioned url: In the GNU project, we use copyleft to protect these freedoms

Re: rhetorical strategies

2007-12-17 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 05:04:10PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: (chomp chomp) nice, thanks. More please :D On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 10:33:05AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: Hey you said something that isnt complete bs! you get a cookie now! 1kg == 1000g! awesome! On Mon,

Re: rhetorical strategies

2007-12-16 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 12/15/07, Gregg Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An advantage of the term covenanted software is that it is not likely to be construed as necessarily a negative term, and hence might be acceptable to RMS et al. A related but less charitable term: cultic. Others: the GPL Compact;

rhetorical strategies

2007-12-15 Thread Gregg Reynolds
It all boils down to language and rhetorical strategy. rms claims that OBSD encourages the use of non-free software. The OBSD folks consider that incorrect and slanderous. Instead of tis so - tis not argumentation, I propose a search, not for agreement, but for clear, simple, and pragmatic

Re: rhetorical strategies

2007-12-15 Thread Ken Ismert
As we weather the Category 5 'Flame-icane Strawman', I would like to call attention to Gregg Reynolds' original post on this thread, which I feel offers fresh thinking about how to talk about licensing, and strategies for surviving the buffeting of the next great Rhetorical Depression. Well