Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-22 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:51:36 -0700 Kurt H Maier wrote: > What I don't do it set an outgoing voicemail greeting informing > correspondents that my time is more valuable than theirs, and if they > want to contact me I have a list of hoops through which they must > jump. > > That would make me an a

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2017-04-21, Kurt H Maier wrote: > What I don't do it set an outgoing voicemail greeting informing > correspondents that my time is more valuable than theirs, and if they > want to contact me I have a list of hoops through which they must jump. > > That would make me an asshole. Heh. I do actua

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 10:40:42PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 09:21:48 -0700 > Kurt H Maier wrote: > > > Greylisting is a hack, an abuse of a side-effect. Most such > > approaches have deleterious side effects. This particular side > > effect is why I don't like greylist

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 09:21:48 -0700 Kurt H Maier wrote: > Greylisting is a hack, an abuse of a side-effect. Most such > approaches have deleterious side effects. This particular side > effect is why I don't like greylisting in general, even though it's > fairly effective. Do you answer your pho

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Walter Alejandro Iglesias
Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2017-04-21, Craig Skinner wrote: > > Email is not instant messaging. > > > > Customers need educated to that fact. > > How do you educate them to that when they send to their gmail account > and it shows up on their phone within seconds? We, at school, used the pen

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 04:02:20PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2017-04-21, Craig Skinner wrote: > > Hi Markus, > > > > On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 11:25:14 +0200 Markus Rosjat wrote: > >> so if you have spamd in place in greylisting mode and you have > >> customers that work with people who use Of

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:02:20 + (UTC) Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > > Email is not instant messaging. > > > > Customers need educated to that fact. > > How do you educate them to that when they send to their gmail account > and it shows up on their phone within seconds? > > Sometimes there

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Markus Rosjat
Like I said I had one case where I had the same message send from 20 different outlook.com servers that's just stupid Regards Markus Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Edgar Pettijohn Datum: 21.04.17 15:20 (GMT+01:00) An: misc@openbsd.org Betreff: Re: spamd and outloo

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2017-04-21, Craig Skinner wrote: > Hi Markus, > > On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 11:25:14 +0200 Markus Rosjat wrote: >> so if you have spamd in place in greylisting mode and you have >> customers that work with people who use Office365 as a service you >> will get calls that emails are delayed for a freak

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2017-04-21, Markus Rosjat wrote: > so if you have spamd in place in greylisting mode and you have customers > that work with people who use Office365 as a service you will get calls > that emails are delayed for a freaking long time and if you check the ip > range that outlook.com could send

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Boudewijn Dijkstra
Op Fri, 21 Apr 2017 14:12:56 +0200 schreef Reyk Floeter : On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 01:52:05PM +0200, Boudewijn Dijkstra wrote: Op Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:16:31 +0200 schreef Reyk Floeter : > On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:59:20AM +0200, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:25:14AM

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Boudewijn Dijkstra
Op Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:16:31 +0200 schreef Reyk Floeter : On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:59:20AM +0200, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:25:14AM +0200, Markus Rosjat wrote: > I use the attached script to fetch the SPF entries recursively, in a plain text format that can be fe

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
On 04/21/17 07:12, Reyk Floeter wrote: On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 01:52:05PM +0200, Boudewijn Dijkstra wrote: Op Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:16:31 +0200 schreef Reyk Floeter : On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:59:20AM +0200, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:25:14AM +0200, Markus Rosjat w

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
And apropos of the subject, quite on-topic: https://home.nuug.no/~peter/dmarc-reject_openbsd-misc_spadm_and_spf.txt - P (pats robot on virtual head) -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ "Rem

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Reyk Floeter
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 01:52:05PM +0200, Boudewijn Dijkstra wrote: > Op Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:16:31 +0200 schreef Reyk Floeter : > > On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:59:20AM +0200, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:25:14AM +0200, Markus Rosjat wrote: > > > > > > > > I use the a

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Craig Skinner
Hello Peter/all, On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 11:59:20 +0200 "Peter N. M. Hansteen" wrote: > > start with > > $ host -ttxt outlook.com > > and follow the includes to the very end. Then weep. > In February 2015 Paul de Weerd calculated Google published 217,088 IPv4 addresses, and 29,710,560,942,849,12

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Craig Skinner
Hi Markus, On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 11:25:14 +0200 Markus Rosjat wrote: > so if you have spamd in place in greylisting mode and you have > customers that work with people who use Office365 as a service you > will get calls that emails are delayed for a freaking long time Email is not instant messaging

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Reyk Floeter
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:59:20AM +0200, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:25:14AM +0200, Markus Rosjat wrote: > > > > so if you have spamd in place in greylisting mode and you have customers > > that work with people who use Office365 as a service you will get calls that >

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Markus Rosjat
hey peter, like your pf book very much helped me a lot to grasp some stuff :) fot the host solution I already did this but skiped the part with following the includes. MS is providing a list of there possible ip ranges here https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn163583(v=exchg.150).a

Re: spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:25:14AM +0200, Markus Rosjat wrote: > > so if you have spamd in place in greylisting mode and you have customers > that work with people who use Office365 as a service you will get calls that > emails are delayed for a freaking long time and if you check the ip range > t

spamd and outlook.com

2017-04-21 Thread Markus Rosjat
Hi there, so if you have spamd in place in greylisting mode and you have customers that work with people who use Office365 as a service you will get calls that emails are delayed for a freaking long time and if you check the ip range that outlook.com could send from you get scared. So what