Re: Compiler error building 5.3

2013-06-05 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 07:01:27PM +1000, John Tate wrote: I am having trouble building 5.3, I ran cvs a second time just be to be sure everything was right. ../../../../arch/i386/i386/locore.s ../../../../arch/i386/i386/locore.s: Assembler messages: ../../../../arch/i386/i386/locore.s:1755:

Re: Compiler error building 5.3

2013-06-07 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 04:43:24PM +1000, John Tate wrote: I didn't think I had to, 5.3 is stable not current or am I wrong about that? Confusing. I ended up just upgrading using the sets and everything is fine now. Lol, but you were trying to build from src, without having done any

Re: Why is there no pkg_find(1)?

2013-06-07 Thread Marc Espie
Just install ports-readmes-dancer There.

Re: Why is there no pkg_find(1)?

2013-06-07 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 11:00:12AM -0600, Luis Coronado wrote: Or http://openports.se/ I wouldn't recommend it. It still tries to parse the ports tree by hand, instead of using any number of correct solutions like sqlports or dump-vars, so they get details wrong. You will end up with missing

Re: Why is there no pkg_find(1)?

2013-06-07 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 07:42:27PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 11:00:12AM -0600, Luis Coronado wrote: Or http://openports.se/ I wouldn't recommend it. It still tries to parse the ports tree by hand, instead of using any number of correct solutions like sqlports

Re: Still looking for 1U servers in western canada.

2013-06-10 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 03:21:36PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote: I'm still looking for 1U servers in western canada. we have an opportunity to build a better build infrastructure for ports but need the gear to do it with. I would be keenly interested in 1) Workable semi-modern amd64 capable

Re: libfaac in ffmpeg on OpenBSD

2013-06-12 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:59:53PM +0200, Peter J. Philipp wrote: Since there was a legal thing the issue is closed. However you're just nagging. I enhanced the OpenBSD port and thought I'd share, your response will make me keep these things secret in the future. Come on, 5 mn spent with

Re: X or cwm got slower

2013-06-25 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 06:24:06PM +0100, Callum Davies wrote: On 25/06/2013 08:58, Philip Guenther wrote I'm no X hacker, but I think the 'nv' driver was affected by Xorg removing the XAA acceleration framework from the core server. It was an evolutionary dead-end, apparently, so don't

Re: MariaDB and OpenBSD

2013-06-28 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:36:10AM -0700, Bogdan Andu wrote: ok, that did the trick but how can I specify in one place this variable env LD_PRELOAD=libpthread.so? is this related to mariadb-client? i think i'll switch back to mysql until mariadb is fully supported by OpenBSD. Bogdan

Re: apropos

2013-06-28 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 01:32:20PM -0500, patric conant wrote: During the first Toronto hackathon, I focused on the SQLite database backend for mandocdb(8). Currently, mandocdb is still disabled in OpenBSD-current, but it is intended to become a drop-in replacement for the makewhatis(8)

Re: syslog.conf tabs vs spaces

2013-07-01 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 01:21:28PM +0200, Jan Stary wrote: Laughably, I got bitten again: The selector field is separated from the action field by one or more tab characters. A tab is a tab, not a few spaces. Again, I copied a syslog.conf line from another xterm after an upgrade

Re: Still unable to compile binaries :(

2013-07-02 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 02:50:08PM -0700, Philip Guenther wrote: These are defined in y.tab.h, which is created by yacc -d This might have been fixed in -current by the import of the newer version of heimdal, but I don't have time to check right now. I suggest you stop using parallel

Re: Why I abandoned OpenBSD, and why you should too...

2013-07-04 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Jul 04, 2013 at 11:56:50PM -0400, Thomas Jennings wrote: Dear OpenBSD developers and users: Regretfully, I have decided to abandon OpenBSD and thought I would share my reasoning with this list. I thought the 4th of July was a good date to do so since my reasons address national

Re: Issue: pkg_add gettext-0.18.2p1

2013-07-05 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, Jul 06, 2013 at 01:14:01AM +1000, MK2 wrote: # pkg_add http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.3/packages/ amd64/gettext-0.18.2p1.tgz Fatal error: Ustar [http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.3/packages/ amd64/gettext-0.18.2p1.tgz][share/locale/zh_TW/LC_MESSAGES/ gettext-tools.mo]:

Re: goaccess 0.5

2013-07-09 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 12:01:11AM +0300, Tony Berth wrote: is anyone using goaccess 0.5 with 5.2 or 5.3? When running './configure' I get: checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p...

Re: 5.4-beta#20 xterm(1)/luit(1) in cwm, CM-Return random defunc

2013-07-10 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 02:06:44AM -0700, Philip Guenther wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:37 AM, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote: On Jul 10 01:30:23, guent...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like a race in luit's startup,

Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-19 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 09:12:57PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: Pretty sure it takes more than 1.7G to build Java. But then how can java people pretend it has any usefulness, besides filing disks? ^^ Rightful cobol successor, then See yesterday's dilbert...

Re: updating -current fail

2013-07-19 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 03:22:47PM -0400, Chris Smith wrote: /usr/bin/Mail - /usr/bin/mail /usr/bin/mailx - /usr/bin/mail === usr.bin/make install -c -S -s -o root -g bin -m 555 make /usr/bin/make install -c -o root -g bin -m 444 /usr/src/usr.bin/make/make.1 /usr/share/man/man1/make.1

Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-19 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 03:06:16PM -0600, Jack Woehr wrote: openda...@hushmail.com wrote: On 19. juli 2013 at 3:17 PM, Matthew Dempsky matt...@dempsky.org wrote: plenty of disk space left in /usr/local (my ports are in /usr/local/ports). /dev/wd0h 3.7G1.8G1.7G52%

Re: Compilers in OpenBSD

2013-08-05 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 09:19:11PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: A few of our developers have, over the years, become unafraid of gcc, and able to investigate issues, backport fixes, and fix or work around bugs: I'll only mention niklas@, espie@, etoh@ and otto@, and hope the few others will

Re: libfuse - is it real ?

2013-08-06 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 04:04:51PM +0200, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: So this means time for ntfs-3g, zfs and more (maybe also xfs and jfs?) should be quite near : Il giorno 06/ago/2013 15:47, Gleydson Soares gsoa...@openbsd.org ha scritto: Some of us are actually curious to see eventual

Re: EuroBSDCon 2013

2013-08-23 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 08:07:58PM +0400, Loganaden Velvindron wrote: I would be great if someone could record the OpenBSD videos for EuroBSDCon 2013 and post them on youtube. I'm particularly interested in the Y2038: Going long long on time_t to cope with 2,147,483,647+1 talk. No

Re: Freetype and Fontconfig on OpenBSD

2013-08-25 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:17:38PM +0100, eat...@hush.com wrote: Hi there, as you can presume I new to OpenBSD (but not a newbie at all) and I like well rendered fonts [...] http://openports.se searching for the packages freetype and fontconfig, but, I could not find the fontconfig but found

Re: What should we look before buying a laptop?

2013-08-26 Thread Marc Espie
On 2013-08-26 00:42, Stefan Sperling wrote: If the built-in wireless card doesn't work, your options are to replace it with a supported card or get a supported USB-based one. If you shop around for used minipci cards or USB wifi sticks with names matching the ones listed in driver man pages, you

Re: A suggestion for snapshots

2013-09-06 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 03:14:44PM +0300, Lars Engblom wrote: For example in this moment, as I write this, Firefox can not be installed in a new system installed from snapshots, as the packages are compiled against an older snapshot (amd64) Known issue. If there are just space on the ftp

Re: A suggestion for snapshots

2013-09-06 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 01:19:02PM -0700, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 06:59:29PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: There are also bottlenecks in fanning out from the actual build machines. Ports bulk builders are aware of the issues. These take time to solve. Would additional

Re: Modern C++ Compiler for OpenBSD

2013-09-11 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 05:40:19PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: I'd like to use some C++ language features that are relatively new. They include intializer lists, rvalue references and regex (and perhaps a lambda on occasion). Does anyone have a C++ compiler recommendation for OpenBSD? g++

Re: OpenBSD crypto and NSA/Bruce Schneier

2013-09-11 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 09:58:12AM +0200, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: Re-evaluation and auditing is very much a part of the general OpenBSD development process (see eg http://www.openbsd.org/goals.html and http://www.openbsd.org/security.html, with links therein) already, but I wouldn't be

Re: OpenBSD crypto and NSA/Bruce Schneier

2013-09-11 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:49:46AM +0200, Martin Schröder wrote: 2013/9/11 Marc Espie es...@nerim.net: Second, low hanging fruit. There's so much crappy software and hardware out there that you have to be REALLY paranoid to think the NSA would target us. I mean, come on, there You

Re: cvsync, rsync

2013-09-14 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 03:09:48PM +, hru...@gmail.com wrote: A completely other thing is to conclude that two *arbitrary* pieces of data are the same only because they have the same hash. Arbitrary means here that the one was not a copy of the other. And this is what rsync seems to do as

Re: cvsync, rsync

2013-09-14 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 04:13:41PM +, hru...@gmail.com wrote: Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 03:09:48PM +, hru...@gmail.com wrote: A completely other thing is to conclude that two *arbitrary* pieces of data are the same only because they have

Re: cvsync, rsync

2013-09-14 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 04:13:41PM +, hru...@gmail.com wrote: Is there an alternative for downloading the repository without the conjecture? Use ftp. That way, you will get rid of those pesky 128 bits checksum, and only rely on your TCP/IP to be reliable. I'm pretty sure the built-in

Re: How does one use adduser in OpenBSD (stuck inEnter username[] loop)?

2013-09-14 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 09:28:07PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Brian McCafferty br...@mccafferty.ca wrote: On 09/14/13 18:41, Jeffrey Walton wrote: Just in case you didn't notice, when you first install you should have mail. $mail It will describe

Re: pkg_add hung?

2013-09-15 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 10:42:51AM -0400, Richard Thornton wrote: So am I safe to ^C this process and try again? I don't want to corrupt the package database since I'll probably not be able to fix it. The package database is *very* resilient. First, the pkgtools operate in such a way as to

Re: fvwm in base [was: X -configure segmentation fault]

2013-09-15 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 08:12:53PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: Hi, On 15 September 2013 11:48, Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas j...@wxcvbn.org wrote: James Griffin j...@kontrol.kode5.net writes: * Thomas Adam tho...@xteddy.org [2013-09-12 10:17:56 +0100]: On 12 September 2013 06:10, Carson

Re: Feedback about Desktop Environments

2013-09-16 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:39:58PM +1200, Richard Toohey wrote: Was really enjoying Gnome 3 but it got a bit sluggish on the hardware I was using at the time, so headed for something more light-weight. As a lot of you probably know, there's been a big jump in gfx in current, both for Intel and

Re: cvsync, rsync

2013-09-16 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 05:46:26PM +0200, Raimo Niskanen wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 02:25:58PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote: Raimo Niskanen raimo+open...@erix.ericsson.se wrote: A resembling application is the Git version control system that is based on the assumption that all

Re: Feedback about Desktop Environments

2013-09-16 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 03:18:28PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2013-09-16, Stefan Sperling s...@openbsd.org wrote: You can use hotplugd(8) to simulate an auto-mounter for known USB disks. hotplug-diskmount (in packages) saves a bit of time writing a script for this. Or there's amd(8)

Re: Feedback about Desktop Environments

2013-09-16 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 06:49:37PM +0200, Jes wrote: On 16/09/13 15:25, James Griffin wrote: * Jes jjje...@gmail.com [2013-09-16 14:43:48 +0200]: Hi all: I use during so long time KDE3. Nowdays I prefer xfce4. Gnome3 is a bit ugly for me. I prefer WMs that integrate the file browser and

Re: cvsync, rsync

2013-09-16 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 05:52:27PM +, hru...@gmail.com wrote: Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. weakness in a cryptographic setting doesn't mean *anything* if you're using it as a pure checksum to find out accidental errors. And now we

Re: cvsync, rsync

2013-09-16 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 08:16:50PM +, hru...@gmail.com wrote: Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: From a checksum I expect two things: (1) the pre-images of elements in the range have all similar sizes, Why ? This makes no sense, and is in contradiction with (2). I must correct

Re: cvsync, rsync

2013-09-17 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 07:23:07AM +, hru...@gmail.com wrote: In the case of rsync the hash is applied to strings of a fixed lenth. In this case the input is finite and we can argue with cardinality. Just imagine the set finite strings mapped to a single element in the range. If all these

Re: cvsync, rsync

2013-09-17 Thread Marc Espie
a known hash value there may be weaknesses in cryptographic hash functions, but this is not what rsync nor Git does, as Marc Espie pointed out in this thread. You have strings A and B, and you know only that hash(A)=hash(B): what is the probability that A=B? 2^-160? No, that's never

Re: cvsync, rsync

2013-09-17 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 03:28:11PM +, hru...@gmail.com wrote: Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: You have strings A and B, and you know only that hash(A)=hash(B): what is the probability that A=B? 2^-160? No, that's never the problem. You have a *given* string A, and another

Re: cvsync, rsync

2013-09-17 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 04:16:47PM +, hru...@gmail.com wrote: Intentionally I left the problem generic. Is the probability near to 1? YES it is near to 1. Your way to phrase mathematical problems is BOGUS. You can't do probability without formulating a set of complete hypothesis. Your way

Re: cvsync, rsync

2013-09-18 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 09:25:55PM +, hru...@gmail.com wrote: Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote: * hru...@gmail.com hru...@gmail.com [2013-09-16 21:33]: It confirms that it supposes: A=B if hash(A)=hash(B). which is fine even with a relatively poor hash like md5 when the

Re: general ports question

2013-09-18 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 06:16:20PM -0400, Richard Thornton wrote: So if one has a 5.3 release system running, but finds a desired package in say 5.1, will pkg_add work on this, assuming I adjust the PKG_PATH to point to a 5.1 package folder? Or will doing this cause other instabilities? The

Re: Verified OS concerns

2013-09-19 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 05:14:37PM -0400, Nick Holland wrote: Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a general purpose OS with the basic reliability of my car, Actually, it looks more and more like the reverse is coming true.

Re: Way too many crashes with recent snapshots (non-HTML-version)

2013-09-19 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:44:20PM +0200, Stefan Wollny wrote: Send a second time as this webmail-programm changed to HTML again... this mail should be better to read. Hi there,   I have this ancient IBM/lenovo T60 with me while working off-site. This machine used to be a reliable

Re: Way too many crashes with recent snapshots (non-HTML-version)

2013-09-21 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 11:26:31AM -0700, Ryan Freeman wrote: laptop has yet to freeze since radeondrm officially in-tree, it was a bit shakey during the initial radeondrm tests, but those weren't even public in the first place. my Thinkpad T60 does not have an option to switch between

Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

2013-09-22 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 03:28:24PM -0600, Anthony J. Bentley wrote: There are some tools in the ports tree, like ports-readmes, that fulfill the same purpose but make use of the infrastructure to do a better job. http://ports.su/ is based on this. ports-readme-dancer packages it all as a

Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

2013-09-22 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 01:31:21PM +1000, Rod Whitworth wrote: On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 23:34:15 +0200, Marc Espie wrote: On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 03:28:24PM -0600, Anthony J. Bentley wrote: There are some tools in the ports tree, like ports-readmes, that fulfill the same purpose but make use

Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

2013-09-23 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user. You don't need -i in most cases these days, pkg_tools default to

Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

2013-09-23 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:25:57AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: * Marc Espie es...@nerim.net [2013-09-23 12:22:47 +0200]: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u

Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

2013-09-23 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:11:17PM +1200, Richard Toohey wrote: On 09/23/13 22:54, Marc Espie wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:25:57AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: * Marc Espie es...@nerim.net [2013-09-23 12:22:47 +0200]: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote

Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

2013-09-23 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:10:34PM -0300, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: On 2013-09-23 12:54, Marc Espie wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:25:57AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: * Marc Espie es...@nerim.net [2013-09-23 12:22:47 +0200]: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin

Re: No console output on 5.4-Current

2013-10-10 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 05:36:22PM -0400, Bryan Chapman wrote: Just installed the Oct 3rd snapshot on my desktop. During the boot process it loses console output and just shows a blank screen. The screen doesn't go into power saving - just no output. At first I though the machine froze, but

Re: No console output on 5.4-Current

2013-10-10 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 07:38:56AM -0400, Bryan Chapman wrote: On 10/10/13 05:34, Marc Espie wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 05:36:22PM -0400, Bryan Chapman wrote: Just installed the Oct 3rd snapshot on my desktop. During the boot process it loses console output and just shows a blank screen

Re: No console output on 5.4-Current

2013-10-10 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 02:27:28PM +0200, David Coppa wrote: On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Bryan Chapman br...@honeypoocakes.net wrote: Thanks -- installing the firmware package resolved the issue. I just assumed that the firmware updater would grab it if needed. Indeed, fw_update

Re: OpenBSD site SSL

2013-10-12 Thread Marc Espie
On 2013/10/11 22:42, John Darrah wrote: Hi. Would it be possible to get SSL on the OpenBSD website(s)? It would be just a couple lines to change in nginx.conf/httpd.conf. SSL certificates are free from Startcom and cheap from other vendors. It would be really nice to have, even if it's not the

Re: porter's handbook - pkg-readmes

2013-10-18 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:28:44AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2013-10-18, Gabriel Guzman g...@guzman-nunez.com wrote: +h3Does my package need a readme?/h3 +A package may require special instructions to run on OpenBSD, or +additional files may need to be downloaded before the port

Re: How to find a file's list of package

2013-10-20 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 08:49:27PM +0200, Alex Naumov wrote: Hello, does anybody know how to find a list of files for some package? For example, I would like to know which files contains athn-firmware-1.1p0 package. More generally, install pkglocatedb, then you'll be able to look for any

Re: OpenBSD maintenance compared to FreeBSD

2013-10-30 Thread Marc Espie
The only way to know is to try.

Re: Similar tool as poudriere for OpenBSD

2013-11-11 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 06:58:10PM +0100, Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas wrote: C. L. Martinez carlopm...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Vigdis vigdis+o...@chown.me wrote: On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:37:17 +, C. L. Martinez carlopm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Exists

Re: Dual booting OpenBSD and Windows 8.1

2013-11-15 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 07:39:41AM +0100, Tomas Bodzar wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 6:01 AM, za...@gmx.com wrote: Hi I was thinking of dual booting OpenBSd and Windows 8.1. Has anyone managed to do that? I suppose I would have to install Windows first, and then OpenBSD. Does the

Re: Dual booting OpenBSD and Windows 8.1

2013-11-15 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 01:31:49PM +0100, Tomas Bodzar wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Marc Espie [1]es...@nerim.net wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 07:39:41AM +0100, Tomas Bodzar wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 6:01 AM, [2]za...@gmx.com wrote: Hi

Re: Dual booting OpenBSD and Windows 8.1

2013-11-15 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 07:01:35AM +0100, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: Marc Espie said: You could point the guy at the FAQ, with caveats since the FAQ *doesn't cover his specific case*. But your way of phrasing your answer is not a polite way to put it, and it's completely unjustified

Re: Potential scripting engine to integrate into mg?

2013-12-02 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 04:13:34PM -0500, Ted Unangst wrote: On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 20:58, Edward L. wrote: So why don't we have python in the base? Perl is in there. Just curious, not that I'm requesting. :-) It's totally reasonable for an operating system to include *a* first class

Re: Single process needing a lot of memory

2013-12-13 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 01:24:41PM +, Zé Loff wrote: So it's normal for a system to get slowed down to the point of losing network connections and freezing X every time a process uses swap? I find that hard to believe... Not *every time*, but yes, that does happen. Some network drivers

Re: Single process needing a lot of memory

2013-12-13 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 02:44:26PM +0100, Peter Hessler wrote: Using swap is a bug. Buy more ram. ^^^ I run into bugs all the time... Memory: Real: 2785M/3694M act/tot Free: 4217M Cache: 550M Swap: 900K/8384M

Re: Single process needing a lot of memory

2013-12-13 Thread Marc Espie
Nevertheless, things ought to work slightly better. I still consider network driver failing due to swap to be a bug in the driver. It should lock down memory if it's necessary. Or there is something in the bufcache swap routines or some disk driver that locks other users for inordinately long

Re: Single process needing a lot of memory

2013-12-13 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 02:10:49PM -0500, Ted Unangst wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 14:53, Marc Espie wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 02:44:26PM +0100, Peter Hessler wrote: Using swap is a bug. Buy more ram. ^^^ I run into bugs all the time... Memory: Real: 2785M/3694M act/tot

Re: Single process needing a lot of memory

2013-12-13 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 08:18:55PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 02:10:49PM -0500, Ted Unangst wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 14:53, Marc Espie wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 02:44:26PM +0100, Peter Hessler wrote: Using swap is a bug. Buy more ram. ^^^ I

Re: baseXXX.tgz in package(5)

2013-12-29 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 01:20:03PM +0100, Alexander Hall wrote: frantisek holop min...@obiit.org wrote: as openbsd distribution tarballs have been so far, and will be for some years to come in the form of baseXY.tgz, etc, i am proposing this simple nitpicking patch: - Note that the base

stop that shit

2014-01-17 Thread Marc Espie
how comes each time the project asks for financial help, there are so many many people coming out of the wood to propose non-financial advice ? Speaking in my own name, I don't think the project needs backseat drivers. You don't like how it's run ? fine, just get out of there. You want to

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-19 Thread Marc Espie
Let me be blunt about this: we already have quite enough on our plates already. I, for one, have a TODO list that reaches probably 10 years or more ahead. Besides openssh, if you *do* use OpenBSD, contributing helps the project. Speaking for myself, if you do appreciate: - having binary

Re: Power consumption of various architectures

2014-01-19 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 01:56:05PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: - VAX 4000/106 (fast vax, 100MHz processor), quite similar to the one Theo is using, two SCSI disks: about 95W. - SGI Fuel (700MHz R16000), original power supply: about 200W. - HP Visualize B2000 (400MHz PA-RISC): about 130W. -

Re: pkg_add fails on clean snapshot install

2014-01-25 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 07:24:21PM +0100, Markus Bergkvist wrote: Is it related to what is mentioned here and I should wait for updated snapshots? http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-techm=139064668614680w=2 $ sudo pkg_add minicom Fatal error: Ustar

Re: faq addition: working with mfs disks?

2014-01-26 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 05:44:05PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote: Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: First, at this point, tmpfs is hopefully going to be replacing mfs (see mount_tmpfs(8)). A word of caution: So far, if pushed hard enough, tmpfs is (1) losing files and

Re: The unknown in i386-unknown-openbsd5.4

2014-02-01 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 06:18:44PM -0500, Adam Jensen wrote: I see the string i386-unknown-openbsd5.4 in various places throughout my system. What does the unknown part of this string refer to and is there a canonical way to set it to something more meaningful? Thanks! Ah, but then the FSF

Re: The unknown in i386-unknown-openbsd5.4

2014-02-02 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 04:23:22AM +0100, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote: On Sat, Feb 01, 2014 at 07:11:25PM -0500, Adam Jensen wrote: On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 00:52:31 + (UTC) na...@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) wrote: FreeBSD is more playful: It has ${ARCH}-portbld-freebsd

Re: pkg_add error, Dependencies.pm:387

2014-02-03 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 10:53:30AM +0100, LEVAI Daniel wrote: Hi! Updated to Feb. 2 snapshots, and everytime I run pkg_add, I get this: Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/Dependencies.pm line 387. Maybe this is the culprit: CVSROOT:

Re: Is [binary] package signing planned?

2014-02-04 Thread Marc Espie
2014-02-04 Kim Twain kimtwa...@gmail.com: Does pkg_add automatically check these signatures, or, as of now, I'd need to manually download the packages, verify them with signify and then install them locally with pkg_add? In -current, if you don't use any flags to pkg_add, and you don't see any

Re: Is [binary] package signing planned?

2014-02-04 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 05:40:38PM +0100, Kim Twain wrote: Thanks. I tried 5.5 on my laptop and as I said, it works, even better than freebsd 10, despite being a beta. I will switch to openbsd with the release. The only other problem is that I have external/ultrabay hdds that use

Re: Is [binary] package signing planned?

2014-02-04 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 02:38:11PM -0200, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: Em 04-02-2014 14:25, Marc Espie escreveu: making sure the users don't do anything stupid is the right part. As it has always been. People do stupid things. Even when they're not expected to. People who cares about signed

Re: Is [binary] package signing planned?

2014-02-04 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 04:11:15PM -0200, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: Em 04-02-2014 15:04, Marc Espie escreveu: That's the motto secure by default. Does also mean try to make sure things are reasonable by default, and that people will naturally do not stupid things. (e.g., https

Re: Is [binary] package signing planned?

2014-02-04 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 08:11:28PM +0100, Daniel Cegie?ka wrote: 2014-02-04 Marc Espie es...@nerim.net: signify(1) makes things more transparent: no chain of trust, pure keys. One cool thing is that the signatures are small enough that they can be embedded directly in the package (which

Re: Is [binary] package signing planned?

2014-02-04 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 05:57:21PM -0200, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: Em 04-02-2014 17:37, Daniel Cegie??ka escreveu: I agree with the fact that we have no solution to this problem, and probably will not find it quickly (or ever). I do not want to shout that now we have to do something. I

Re: Is [binary] package signing planned?

2014-02-06 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 03:59:57PM -0200, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: Em 04-02-2014 18:03, Marc Espie escreveu: I *encourage* you guys to read signify and pkg_add code and poke holes in them! I did read both last night. Signify is very easy and straightforward to understand. I wasn't really

Re: Upgrade path from 4.1?

2014-02-06 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 12:31:44PM +0100, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Hi, davy wrote: Hi, I?ve recently was asked to take over the maintenance of an old OpenBSD machine, which has not been updated in the last 7 years. OpenBSD is stable, isn't it? :) Currently the machine has been running

Re: Upgrade path from 4.1?

2014-02-06 Thread Marc Espie
Heck, even pkg_add won't be too happy. I've finally scraped a few compatibility items that were around 7 years ago, like support for @md5 checksums...

Re: Upgrade path from 4.1?

2014-02-06 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 11:45:52AM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: On Thu, 6 Feb 2014, Chris Cappuccio wrote: I don't see why everyone recommends install one version at a time. It's not a recommendation, it is reality. Each upgrade is based on the previuos version - skipping versions is not

Re: PkgCheck.pm can't locate new

2014-02-10 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 02:28:49PM +0100, Marcus MERIGHI wrote: Hello Rob, from pkg_add(1) PKG_PATH If a given package name cannot be found, the directories named by PKG_PATH are searched. It should contain a series of entries separated by colons. Each entry

Re: PkgCheck.pm can't locate new

2014-02-10 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 07:21:18PM -0800, Rob Fabry wrote: I'm trying to install OpenBSD on a new machine so I can learn how to setup a router, but running into a strange problem. A Supermicro 5015A-H with Intel Atom 330 at 1.6 GHz When I tried to install the unbound package, it can't

Re: PkgCheck.pm can't locate new

2014-02-10 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 05:22:15PM -0800, Rob Fabry wrote: so these problems are not about using URLs or FTP sites to find packages over the net, but packages that are present locally on the machine. I never said Url over the net. Local files also have urls. Is is something I could

Re: FAQ 11.1.2 outdated? (framebuffer support)

2014-02-16 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:31:08PM +0100, Mark Kettenis wrote: I think most OpenBSD developers still prefer a standard vga text console, since it scrolls much faster. But more and more i386/amd64 machines come with UEFI and boot into framebuffer mode unless you switch them into legacy BIOS

Re: How to compile stuff?

2014-02-17 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:36:29AM -0700, nvw6lxh2yt...@pyramidheadgroup.ca wrote: Because it was not supposed to compile anything at that time. When you installed OpenBSD, did you install the comp54 set? Why not? And you expect the magic fairies to just like that, find the compiler when

Re: OpenBSD rootkits

2014-02-17 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 07:48:44PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: Attacks with LD_PRELOAD are very old and can be performed on any OS where you have dynamic linking (Linux, *BSD etc.), so yes, OpenBSD is vulnerable to this type of stuff. You forgot to mention that the

Re: OpenBSD rootkits

2014-02-17 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:02:18PM +0100, Daniel Cegie?ka wrote: [...] At least on linux this type of abuse seem to be still (very) effective: http://blackhatlibrary.net/LD_PRELOAD http://blackhatlibrary.net/Azazel and of course PAM: http://blackhatlibrary.net/Hooking_PAM Here's a

hey, undeadly WAKE UP

2014-02-22 Thread Marc Espie
I know there are some undeadly people that still read misc@ Guys, stop sitting on articles ! you can live with an empty queue. I know there are at least a few articles in the queue *right now*, some have been there for over two weeks. This is utterly utterly stupid. If someone spends time to

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