[Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc -Q differences between 1.6.0 and 1.6.1.90

2003-09-17 Thread Richard Ellis
Has anyone else noticed that the -Q parameter to mpeg2enc v 1.6.1.90 seems to have much less effect than it did in version 1.6.1? I've got one pair of encodes (same capture file input to both) that I ran yesterday where using -Q 0.0 and -Q 4.0 resulted in exactly the same size encoded file. Unde

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc -Q differences between 1.6.0 and 1.6.1.90

2003-09-17 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Richard Ellis wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that the -Q parameter to mpeg2enc v 1.6.1.90 > seems to have much less effect than it did in version 1.6.1? I've No, I haven't noticed. But then I haven't used -Q since I was warned of possible artifacts. Tha

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc -Q differences between 1.6.0 and 1.6.1.90

2003-09-17 Thread Richard Ellis
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 03:08:25PM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Richard Ellis wrote: > > > Has anyone else noticed that the -Q parameter to mpeg2enc v 1.6.1.90 > > seems to have much less effect than it did in version 1.6.1? I've > > ... > If you look at

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc -Q differences between 1.6.0 and 1.6.1.90

2003-09-17 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Richard Ellis wrote: > Thanks for the pointer, yes, I looked at the diffs and the code that Welcome. > is driven by Q (in that section at least) was reworked quite a bit in > January. That would account for the difference I'm seeing in the new > mpeg2enc's Q that d

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc -Q differences between 1.6.0 and 1.6.1.90

2003-09-19 Thread Richard Ellis
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 07:57:14PM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Richard Ellis wrote: > > > is driven by Q (in that section at least) was reworked quite a bit in > > January. That would account for the difference I'm seeing in the new > > mpeg2enc's Q that does not see

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc -Q differences between 1.6.0 and 1.6.1.90

2003-09-19 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Richard Ellis wrote: > Increasing -X a little (200 vs. 100) does seem to make -Q have a bit > more effect, if the fact that the quant=xx.xx value bounces around > much more during encoding is partially caused by -Q. The test I ran (with an SVCD encoding) showed a ~1%

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc -Q differences between 1.6.0 and 1.6.1.90

2003-09-19 Thread Richard Ellis
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 07:02:54PM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > > > The -N parameter does work quite well for shrinking a file, but > > it seems it's a bit sensitive. In a test run, with -N 0.0 I got > > a file size of 748,032 kbyte. With -N of 0.1 I got 708,956 kbyte > > on the same input.

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc -Q differences between 1.6.0 and 1.6.1.90

2003-09-19 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Richard Ellis wrote: > Yes, only 5%, but it's a 5% file size change, with only a 0.5% change > to the value of -N. Or in other words, the -N value looks to > possibly have a 10x effect on resultant file size. > That's not quite the way to look at it I believe. Is

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc -Q differences between 1.6.0 and 1.6.1.90

2003-09-21 Thread Richard Ellis
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 10:47:35PM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > > 4 encodings were done using -N of 0, 0.5, 1.0 and 1.5 (and 2 > different -q values, and using yuvdenoise in -f and -l modes). > Quite an exhaustive (and time consuming ;)) set of runs. > ... I have some more real world numbers

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc -Q differences between 1.6.0 and 1.6.1.90

2003-09-21 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Richard Ellis wrote: > The only difference between these files was different -N values. All > other denoise/mpeg2enc parameters were identical. What value are you using for -q? What I am finding is that the effect of -N changes as -q is varied - especially

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc -Q differences between 1.6.0 and 1.6.1.90

2003-09-21 Thread Richard Ellis
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 05:51:19PM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Richard Ellis wrote: > > > The only difference between these files was different -N values. > > All other denoise/mpeg2enc parameters were identical. > > What value are you using for -q? What I am find

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc -Q differences between 1.6.0 and 1.6.1.90

2003-09-21 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Richard Ellis wrote: > For the numbers I posted, the q value was 7. It is interesting that > -N would have differing effects depending on the -q value. That may Initially I thought it unusual but after thinking about it a bit it's to be expected. The low