Re: [mp2.0.4] t/hooks/authen_basic (Wstat: 0 Tests: 4 Failed: 1)

2008-11-11 Thread Clinton Gormley
Go forth and code! :) Go, Perl! (surely) :)

Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread David E. Wheeler
On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:46 AM, André Warnier wrote: - the rate of new people coming into the community has been declining. The responses there are indeed a bit scary. It feels like we're a dying breed. I believe this is to a large extent a marketing issue for perl in general, and mod_perl

Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM, David E. Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To a certain degree, Apache/mod_perl is a victim of the success of HTTP. It's fairly easy to implement a new HTTP server, so there are a lot of them, and many are easy to use and extremely fast. If all you're interested

Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread Michael Peters
Hmm, this is making me want to run benchmarks! Maybe a solid set of benchmarks would be a fun OSCON presentation next year. ++ I've loved your other comparison talks in the past and this would be a nice one. Make sure to include the new Mojo (kind of like Mongrel but in Perl). -- Michael

Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread David E. Wheeler
On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:15 AM, Perrin Harkins wrote: I'm fine with people using other open source tools to get where they want to go but the justifications they make about mod_perl being heavier or slower rarely have any actual research behind them. Yeah, I wasn't making the case for mongrel

Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread Fred Moyer
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Perrin Harkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM, David E. Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've said this before, but I think this is not a very rational claim. Network servers are actually pretty hard to get right and HTTP is no

Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread John Siracusa
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:27 PM, David E. Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:15 AM, Perrin Harkins wrote: I'm fine with people using other open source tools to get where they want to go but the justifications they make about mod_perl being heavier or slower rarely have

Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread John Siracusa
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Perrin Harkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM, David E. Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To a certain degree, Apache/mod_perl is a victim of the success of HTTP. It's fairly easy to implement a new HTTP server, so there are a lot of

Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread Octavian Rasnita
- Original Message - 2:49 PM, David E. Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To a certain degree, Apache/mod_perl is a victim of the success of HTTP. It's fairly easy to implement a new HTTP server, so there are a lot of them, and many are easy to use and extremely fast. If all you're

Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Octavian Rasnita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I've seen that many Catalyst developers prefer to use fastcgi and not mod_perl, because when using fastcgi, the applications can be restarted without restarting the whole web server. It's the same with

Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread Adam Prime
Perrin Harkins wrote: It's the same with mod_perl: you can restart your backend server without touching the frontend proxy server. It's possible that some FastCGI implementations have a truly seamless way to do this though, holding requests while the backend restarts. I haven't played with it

Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Adam Prime [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd really love to see a best practices kind of document, or at least a more detailed document that described getting the light front / heavy backend stuff working. The mp1 guide has a pretty extensive section on the various

RE: [mp2.0.4] t/hooks/authen_basic (Wstat: 0 Tests: 4 Failed: 1)

2008-11-11 Thread Chen, Peter
May I ask about the httpd conf file for your apache2.2.10? Here are the LoadModule lines that I believe are relevant: LoadModule authn_file_module modules/mod_authn_file.so LoadModule authn_dbm_module modules/mod_authn_dbm.so LoadModule authn_anon_module modules/mod_authn_anon.so LoadModule

Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread Andrew Rodland
Perrin Harkins perrin at elem.com writes: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM, David E. Wheeler david at kineticode.com wrote: To a certain degree, Apache/mod_perl is a victim of the success of HTTP. It's fairly easy to implement a new HTTP server, so there are a lot of them, and many are

[ot] Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread Douglas Hunter
Perrin Harkins wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Adam Prime [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd really love to see a best practices kind of document, or at least a more detailed document that described getting the light front / heavy backend stuff working. The mp1 guide has a pretty extensive

Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Adam Prime wrote: André Warnier wrote: Maybe this is the time to ask. I am using Linux Debian, and getting Apache 2, perl and mod_perl 2 from there (apt-get). I have never been quite sure which mpm the packager decided to configure, as the apache2.conf contains parameters for prefork,

Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Foo JH wrote: Adam Prime wrote: The results of the mod_perl survey that Fred Moyer and I conducted can be found at the following link: Interesting list. Any chance the workshop will come to Singapore? :) Not quite, but close... http://us.apachecon.com/c/accn2008/ (when this link breaks,

Re: [ot] Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread Philip M. Gollucci
Douglas Hunter wrote: I've been playing with the experimental event MPM for a front end caching reverse proxy, and have been very happy with the results so far. ditto. Witness it in use here: http://ridecharge.com PXY: httpd 2.2.9 w/ event mpm Cache: X APP: mongrel mongrel's replacement

Re: mod_perl survey results

2008-11-11 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Andrew Rodland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you _do_ want to keep static file serving apart from the app code (or else incur the memory overhead of an app process for every file download), so you do need to go that frontend/backend route -- and it seems to me

Re: [mp2.0.4] t/hooks/authen_basic (Wstat: 0 Tests: 4 Failed: 1)

2008-11-11 Thread Fred Moyer
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Chen, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I ask about the httpd conf file for your apache2.2.10? Here are the LoadModule lines that I believe are relevant: You probably don't need these; if you don't have a 'Require User someusername' directive in your