Re: The problem with auto-installing dependencies

2008-10-01 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Bill Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-09-30T23:07:22] I wasn't talking specifically about anything... the recent discussion about the above led me to post, but I was talking in general about the tendency of module authors to be, in my opinion, overly eager to have dependencies on other modules.

Re: The problem with auto-installing dependencies

2008-10-01 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Ricardo SIGNES [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-10-01 13:45]: I bet more CPAN authors are the same way. Yeah. I often vacillate a great deal about adding dependencies: • I hate making things harder to install. I’m also loathe to give up control if I can’t trust that the delegated responsibility is

Re: The problem with auto-installing dependencies

2008-10-01 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: * Ricardo SIGNES [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-10-01 13:45]: I bet more CPAN authors are the same way. Yeah. I often vacillate a great deal about adding dependencies: • I hate making things harder to install. I’m also loathe to give up control if I

Re: The problem with auto-installing dependencies

2008-10-01 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 04:56:32PM +0200, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: So there are several competing forces at play: how big is the job I need done? Is it going to affect the API I expose? How good is the module I am considering? How big? How many dependencies does it in turn have? How much do

Re: The problem with auto-installing dependencies

2008-10-01 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Dave Rolsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-10-01 17:05]: Installation and dependency chains are an issue best solved in the context of _applications_. That just moves the problem, though: an that uses modules with lots of dependencies will demand more build engineering effort. Regards, --

Re: The problem with auto-installing dependencies

2008-10-01 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: * Dave Rolsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-10-01 17:05]: Installation and dependency chains are an issue best solved in the context of _applications_. That just moves the problem, though: an that uses modules with lots of dependencies will demand

The problem with auto-installing dependencies

2008-09-30 Thread Bill Ward
Since anyone can upload code to CPAN, not all modules are of the same high quality as others. I feel it is very important to vet each and every module that I install. But with the auto-install behavior, modules that I want to install may have dependencies on other modules that I don't feel

Re: The problem with auto-installing dependencies

2008-09-30 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Bill Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-09-30T15:12:22] Since anyone can upload code to CPAN, not all modules are of the same high quality as others. I feel it is very important to vet each and every module that I install. But with the auto-install behavior, modules that I want to install may

Re: The problem with auto-installing dependencies

2008-09-30 Thread Bill Ward
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Ricardo SIGNES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Bill Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-09-30T15:12:22] Since anyone can upload code to CPAN, not all modules are of the same high quality as others. I feel it is very important to vet each and every module that I

Re: The problem with auto-installing dependencies

2008-09-30 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Bill Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Ricardo SIGNES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Bill Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-09-30T15:12:22] Since anyone can upload code to CPAN, not all modules are of the same high quality as

Re: The problem with auto-installing dependencies

2008-09-30 Thread Hans Dieter Pearcey
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:12:22PM -0700, Bill Ward wrote: So I don't like auto-install. is someone stopping you from turning it off? are you aware of the prerequisites_policy for CPAN.pm, or whatever its analogue is for CPANPLUS? hdp.

Re: The problem with auto-installing dependencies

2008-09-30 Thread David Golden
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Hans Dieter Pearcey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:12:22PM -0700, Bill Ward wrote: So I don't like auto-install. is someone stopping you from turning it off? are you aware of the prerequisites_policy for CPAN.pm, or whatever its

Re: The problem with auto-installing dependencies

2008-09-30 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* David Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-09-30T22:51:11] That's not what he's talking about. He's talking about modules that bundle Module::AutoInstall -- which runs CPAN.pm or CPANPLUS in a subshell during make to install dependencies. Are you sure? I think it's quite unclear. -- rjbs