[MORPHMET] Re: Stability of p-values (physignal and testing for morphological integration)

2015-06-02 Thread Tsung Fei Khang
Dear community, Many thanks to everyone who responded with your opinions and also references. I think the set.seed solves the reproducibility problem, and for practicality, I would just set seed, make a single run at a high number of replicates such as 10,000, and then report a reasonable upp

Re: [MORPHMET] Stability of p-values (physignal and testing for morphological integration)

2015-06-02 Thread Aki Watanabe
Dear Tsung, The reason the p-value may have decreased as you increased the number of iterations with your own data set may simply be because you are increasing the denominator when you calculate the p-value. For example, if you run 5 iterations, the lowest p-value you obtain is 1/5 = 0.2. If you r

[MORPHMET] Equipment

2015-06-02 Thread Javier Quezada
We have some money for a photographic equipment and would like to purchase something that allows for taking good pictures for morphometric work. We have had offers from Leica but far too expensive. Do you have any recommendations? YOu know in our labs we always struggle to get good stuff at good

RE: [MORPHMET] Stability of p-values (physignal and testing for morphological integration)

2015-06-02 Thread Adams, Dean [EEOBS]
Tsung, This property of permutation tests has been known for some time. Generally speaking, as the number of permutations increases the variation in significance levels obtained from repeated runs decreases. Earlier work in the statistics literature from the 70s and 80s by Edgington and others

Re: [MORPHMET] Stability of p-values (physignal and testing for morphological integration)

2015-06-02 Thread 'Marko Djurakic' via MORPHMET
On 31.5.2015 19:38, Tsung Fei Khang wrote: Dear community, I would like to share my experience with using some (really cool) computational tools for phylogenetic signal and morphological integration analysis. I am using physignal (geomorph R package) and the Phylo.Morphol.PLS function provi

Re: [MORPHMET] Stability of p-values (physignal and testing for morphological integration)

2015-06-02 Thread Carmelo Fruciano
Dear Tsung, I guess that what you observed is relatively normal in common practice and many people are quite used to it when using randomization methods (i.e. most people don't expect to find always exactly the same p value when using random permutations). If my memory doesn't fail me, rec

[MORPHMET] Introduction to GM using R - Portugal - October 5-9, 2015

2015-06-02 Thread Antigoni Kaliontzopoulou
Dear list, registrations are now open for the international workshop of Introduction to Geometric Morphometrics using R, to be held in VairĂ£o, Portugal in October 5-9 2015. The course will focus on providing an overview of the theory underlying the quantification of shape using landmark methods,

[MORPHMET] Stability of p-values (physignal and testing for morphological integration)

2015-06-02 Thread Tsung Fei Khang
Dear community, I would like to share my experience with using some (really cool) computational tools for phylogenetic signal and morphological integration analysis. I am using physignal (geomorph R package) and the Phylo.Morphol.PLS function provided in the paper by Adams and Felice (2014; P