Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-20 Thread Jonas Jørgensen
Peter Trudelle wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Post in text/plain only, please? /Jonas

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-20 Thread Jonas Jørgensen
Johnny Yen wrote: One benefit is that users can tell, at a glance, the current site, and which site such bookmarks came from, much faster than they could ever read the URL. They can thus browse faster and with fewer errors. Absolutely. Site/page icons is a great feature. But automatically

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-20 Thread Jonas Jørgensen
Jonas Jørgensen wrote: This sentence: That is just as nice for people who visit than auto-requesting them. Should have been: That is just as nice for people who visit as auto-requesting them is.

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-20 Thread Michael Gratton
Johnny Yen wrote: Here again, it's a helluva lot easier to throw a favicon into the root rather than ad link rel=icon to hundreds and hundreds of pages just to get the same effect. So how do you add the same background to all of your pages? favbg.ico? -- Mike Gratton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-19 Thread Johnny Yen
Jonas Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Peter Trudelle wrote: One benefit is that users can tell, at a glance, the current site, and which site such bookmarks came from, much faster than they could ever read the URL. They can thus

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-19 Thread Johnny Yen
Jonas Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... David Hyatt wrote: Some people are even blocking Mozilla from their sites because of this! Mozilla's way of doing this spams servers much more than IE's, since Moz request favicon.ico for every

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-19 Thread Christian Biesinger
Johnny Yen wrote: Jonas Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Still, that doesn't answer my question - why not just evangelise sites to use link rel=icon? (You _do_ agree that in an ideal world, every page that had an icon would also have a

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread Peter Trudelle
Yes, we care. Don't confuse having different values than yours with not caring. The feature you seem to dislike so much started as numerous requests from our customers, users and reviewers. Our marketing department notified us of the strong demand for such a feature. Management ensured

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread Jonathan Wilson
Peter Trudelle wrote: Yes, we care. Don't confuse having different values than yours with not caring. The feature you seem to dislike so much started as numerous requests from our customers, users and reviewers. Our marketing department notified us of the strong demand for such a

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread Simon P. Lucy
On 18/12/2001 at 00:32 Peter Trudelle wrote: Yes, we care. Don't confuse having different values than yours with not caring. The feature you seem to dislike so much started as numerous requests from our customers, users and reviewers. Our marketing department notified us of the strong

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread Travis Crump
Jonathan Wilson wrote: I understand that loading favicon.ico for bookmarks is accually a good thing but why load favicon.ico on page load, what benifit does it have (other than displaying a pretty little icon in the URL bar?) It is also displayed in the title of the tab, once you have

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread Arthur
Firts of all, JTK, Who are you? When I search a number of mozilla groups for your initials (With the stable and handy mail/news client Mozilal, with a verry handy search option), it pops up a large list of criticising replies and annouying text. When I go to

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread RV
JTK wrote: The... ah why the hell do I bother, nobody here cares enough about this project to put it to sleep, let alone make it good. You got that right ... nobody cares about what you think. Maybe you should be the one who should go to sleep and have a chill pill. Mozilla's failue or

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread Jay Garcia
Jonathan Wilson wrote: From what I have seen with things like favicon.ico and other things not really. Accually, its probobly more like this: The engineers and coders do care about the browser and want to make it better (no, reading favicon.ico when first loading the page even if not

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread Simon P. Lucy
On 18/12/2001 at 07:55 Jay Garcia wrote: Have you ever peered at File Types in your File Associations list ?? See the little icons to the left of the association ?? If you're looking for a particular file-type association you can scroll the list looking for the associated icon in the left column

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread Jonas Jørgensen
Peter Trudelle wrote: One benefit is that users can tell, at a glance, the current site, and which site such bookmarks came from, much faster than they could ever read the URL. They can thus browse faster and with fewer errors. Absolutely. Site/page icons is a great feature. But

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread David Hyatt
As I've said several times before, Mozilla does not spam the site on every visit, only on the first visit. It then caches information of a miss to prevent spamming the site again (and this persists across sessions), and on a hit it caches the favicon itself to prevent spamming the site again

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread Jonas Jørgensen
David Hyatt wrote: Some people are even blocking Mozilla from their sites because of this! Mozilla's way of doing this spams servers much more than IE's, since Moz request favicon.ico for every visit (IE only does it when the page is bookmarked). As I've said several times before,

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread Ben Goodger
Actually he's making the case for the key usability benefit of this feature. Simon P. Lucy wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"> On 18/12/2001 at 07:55 Jay Garcia wrote: Have you ever peered at "File Types" in your File Associations list ??See the little icons to the left of the association ??

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread Simon P. Lucy
On 18/12/2001 at 12:16 Ben Goodger wrote: Actually he's making the case for the key usability benefit of this feature. No. He was being patronising. An icon for a bookmark is not equivalent to an icon for a file type. The number of different types of file icon is quite small, and easily

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread Peter Trudelle
Simon P. Lucy wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"> That tends to imply that it was an AOL product requirement and notnecessarily a mozilla.org one. Not imply, I was clear that this requirement came from Netscape marketing. [EMAIL PROTECTED]"> I can't see any downside to AOL

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread David W. Fenton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Wilson) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I understand that loading favicon.ico for bookmarks is accually a good thing but why load favicon.ico on page load, what benifit does it have (other than displaying a pretty little icon in the URL bar?) It's very handy if you're

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread Jay Garcia
Simon P. Lucy wrote: On 18/12/2001 at 12:16 Ben Goodger wrote: Actually he's making the case for the key usability benefit of this feature. No. He was being patronising. An icon for a bookmark is not equivalent to an icon for a file type. The number of different types of file

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-18 Thread Peter Trudelle
Simon P. Lucy wrote: The number of different types of file icon is quite small, and easily remembered by the user after some small amount of use. I may not be typical, but I have many more different file system icons than favicons. It also means an entirely different thing. It means I can

Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-17 Thread Jonathan Wilson
really. Accually, its probobly more like this: The engineers and coders do care about the browser and want to make it better (no, reading favicon.ico when first loading the page even if not asked to by the user with no way to turn it off is not better) But on the other hand, we have the

Re: Do AOLTW and netscape communications corperation care about the browser?

2001-12-17 Thread JTK
Jonathan Wilson wrote: From what I have seen with things like favicon.ico and other things not really. Accually, its probobly more like this: The engineers and coders do care about the browser and want to make it better (no, reading favicon.ico when first loading the page even if not