RE: [Mpls] Pensions and other Ponzi schemes........

2003-10-02 Thread Peter Jessen
Thread snips are below. Vicky suggests: "Tell your local government to stop breaking the law. A lot of time and money could be saved this way." She left out "stop doing what is legal yet stupid." There was no rule against the Titantic racing full speed ahead. But it was stupid. She correctly

Re: [Mpls] Pensions and other Ponzi schemes........

2003-10-02 Thread Chris Johnson
Victoria Heller wrote: We need some arithmetic here. If you contribute $50,000 to your retirement plan, and draw $500,000 of benefits after you retire, who pays the difference? Nobody pays in $50,000 to social security and draws out $500,000 unless it's through disability or retiring early and t

[Mpls] What are those kids doing in there? Oh my!

2003-10-02 Thread Wendy Introwitz
See for yourself... Twin Cities Underground, a new teen and parent run youth center is having an Open House TODAY! 5pm-7pm, with some of the best teen bands in the metro area performing short sets from 7-9pm. Find out why more than 600 teens ages 12-22 have come to The Underground in its first 4

[Mpls] Fundraising campaign to keep Lucille's Kitchen open has started

2003-10-02 Thread Shawn Lewis
I was present at an impromptu event on Oct 2, 2003 from 4pm to 7pm at Lucille's Kitchen to start this fundraising campign. Please give what you can as well as continue to make a conscious effort to buy food from them. Lucille's Kitchen 2013 Plymouth Avenue North Minneapolis, MN 55411-3712 612-

[Mpls] Allina in perspective ... a strange twist

2003-10-02 Thread Dave Piehl
David Piehl wrote: > Clearly, Allina is not committed to keep their > corporate offices in the neighborhood, so why should > the neighborhood spend nearly $200 million to add > ramps, widen Lake St to 8 lanes, tear out housing, > displace businesses, etc. Terrell Brown wrote: How did I miss the pr

Re: [Mpls] Allina in perspective ... a strange twist

2003-10-02 Thread Terrell Brown
> Clearly, Allina is not committed to keep their > corporate offices in the neighborhood, so why should > the neighborhood spend nearly $200 million to add > ramps, widen Lake St to 8 lanes, tear out housing, > displace businesses, etc. How did I miss the proposal/request/whatever to use neighbor

[Mpls] Allina in perspective

2003-10-02 Thread Steve Brandt
David Piehl: "Clearly, Allina is not committed to keep their corporate offices in the neighborhood, so why should the neighborhood spend nearly $200 million to add ramps, widen Lake St to 8 lanes, tear out housing, displace businesses, etc." Whoa, David! Without taking a position on whether the

Re: [Mpls] CVS, Lowe's, Walmart

2003-10-02 Thread David Shove
Small business good, big box bad. Resist. No TIF. No corporate welfare. No eminent domain. Have micro loans to encourge small business. Keep ownership and money and jobs in this area, small enuf they can't bully government, or relocate. It is our interest to benefit our community, not absentee bi

[Mpls] PiPress article about Allina

2003-10-02 Thread Dave Piehl
Bruce Gaarder wrote: > There was an article about the possibility of Allina relocating to the Midway area of Saint Paul in the Pioneer Press this week. > > From the comments, I gather that it was as an alternative to the Sears site. > > Should fuel those opposed to the I-35 project. David Piehl

Re: [Mpls] Pensions and other Ponzi schemes........

2003-10-02 Thread David Shove
On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Victoria Heller wrote: > Jim Bernstein states: > > "Pensions are earned. They are not welfare." > > Vicky replies: > > We need some arithmetic here. > > If you contribute $50,000 to your retirement plan, and draw $500,000 > of benefits after you retire, who pays the difference

[Mpls] Fwd: Reminder- Turning the Tides Conference- Oct 3-4

2003-10-02 Thread Annie Young
The Turning the Tides conference will be this Friday and Saturday.  You can still register . . . Annie Young Environmental Coordinator C/O Women's Cancer Resource Center 4604 Chicago Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55407 tel. 612-822-4846     Turning the Tides III- A Cancer-Free World Begins with You

[Mpls] EJAM Presents Founder's Day Mini-Conference

2003-10-02 Thread Batala
Join us in celebrating the founding of Environmental Justice Advocates of Minnesota. ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, GROWING A MOVEMENT Founder¹s Day Saturday, October 11, 2003, 1:30 - 7:00 pm Minneapolis Urban League 2100 Plymouth Av. North, Minneapolis (Plymouth & Penn, Minneapolis) For direction

[Mpls] Property Tax Growth

2003-10-02 Thread Frank, Nicholas (US - Minneapolis)
Tom Holtzleiter says: So my question still stands, If everyone's property increased in value (a lot over the last 5 years) and therefore so did their taxes, how is it that Minneapolis collected less in 2002, and why did they need to borrow to pay for their pension plan? That money is going somew

[Mpls] CVS, Lowe's, Walmart

2003-10-02 Thread Gayle Bonneville
For all you big-box watchers out there -- From today's Star Tribune: "CVS, Lowe's still pursuing Twin Cities entry / Wanted: prime Twin Cities real estate for rapidly expanding national retailers." http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/4131078.html >From me: Proposed CVS drug store location is i

Re: [Mpls] Suing "The City";Jennings;Gallmon

2003-10-02 Thread gemgram
Suing the City: Jim Mork says, > Whoa, Betsy! Does Doug understand what he's saying here? "The city" isn't > some alien species, it is Doug, it is me, it is most people on this GROUP! > I have to think MAYBE we can find a better way forward than residents > encouraging groups, especially a group t

[Mpls] Suing "The City"

2003-10-02 Thread Victoria Heller
Jim Mork is tired of paying judgments against the City: "I have to think MAYBE we can find a better way forward than residents encouraging groups, especially a group that Doug has flayed repeatedly, to use the courts to bludgeon the citizens of this city. As a citizen of this city, I PROTEST. Th

Re: [Mpls] Pensions

2003-10-02 Thread David Brauer
Light not heat department... Apropos the current pension discussion, some readers may want to check out the big pension story Scott Russell of the Southwest Journal did last year. It's a good primer on the ins and outs of Minneapolis pension financing. http://makeashorterlink.com/?C6F023416 PS A

Re: [Mpls] Redistricting: The Settlement Offer

2003-10-02 Thread ken bradley
Hello Minneapolis Folks:   I would have responded to this issue earlier but was out of town.   Bruce did a great job of summarizing the issues. I am one of the Plaintiff's and can confirm the city had approached us about submitting a settlement proposal. We submitted our proposal late July and ha

[Mpls] Pensions and other Ponzi schemes........

2003-10-02 Thread Victoria Heller
Jim Bernstein states: "Pensions are earned. They are not welfare." Vicky replies: We need some arithmetic here. If you contribute $50,000 to your retirement plan, and draw $500,000 of benefits after you retire, who pays the difference? In the case of public pensions (including social security)

Re: [Mpls] PiPress article about Allina

2003-10-02 Thread David Brauer
on 10/2/03 7:52 AM, Bruce Gaarder at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > There was an article about the possibility of Allina relocating to the Midway > area of Saint Paul in the Pioneer Press this week. > > From the comments, I gather that it was as an alternative to the Sears site. > > Should fuel thos

RE: [Mpls] Thousands lose union jobs because of rising pension costs....

2003-10-02 Thread budtbum
On 2 Oct 2003 at 2:03, Jim Bernstein wrote: So now pensions are "paying people for not working”?? Yes. Basically you work now, and pay someone else’s pension/Social Security who already retired. Workers after you pay your pension/Social Security when you retire. Though the amount you get is ba

[Mpls] PiPress article about Allina

2003-10-02 Thread Bruce Gaarder
There was an article about the possibility of Allina relocating to the Midway area of Saint Paul in the Pioneer Press this week. >From the comments, I gather that it was as an alternative to the Sears site. Should fuel those opposed to the I-35 project. Bruce Gaarder Visit www.EffectiveTransit

[Mpls] Jennings Appointment

2003-10-02 Thread Diane Wiley
I find it amazing that some people think that  appointing a superintendent with no background in education is okay to do with a minimal amount of public discussion.   Some members of the African American community are upset -- we should all be upset.  This is a huge change and should be done

[Mpls] Strib editorial re: Jennings appointment.

2003-10-02 Thread Socialist2001
STRIB EDITORIAL "Jennings comes to the superintendency believing that the course set by Johnson is the right one for producing lasting improvement in student performance. In that sense, he represents stability. But he is also capable of challenging sacred cows, including the teachers' union, in

[Mpls] Gallmon's Resignation as NAACP president

2003-10-02 Thread Socialist2001
The Strib "news story" on Gallmon reads like an opinion piece by Gallmon as told to Terry Collins. You only get Gallmon's side of the story. Gallmon wanted to attract more middle and upper class people who can "get thing done." The problem is that the NAACP has a long tradition as an advocacy o

[Mpls] Grow ignores Gallmon short coming and tries to shift focus

2003-10-02 Thread Shawn Lewis
I find it so interesting that some white and black people who see controversy automatically hear someone complain about Mr. Ron Edwards (who does his homework), then starts to attribute all or any problems; "MUST be because Ron Edwards is around". My, My I have seen this pattern use many times. Now

Re: [Mpls] Thousands lose union jobs because of rising pension costs?

2003-10-02 Thread Dyna
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 03:27 PM, Victoria Heller wrote: Someone needs to address the unpleasant subject of pension/healthcare costs head on - it only worsens as time goes by because of demographics and added interest expense to the debts. How many CURRENT jobs are we willing to sacrifi

RE: [Mpls] Thousands lose union jobs because of rising pension costs....

2003-10-02 Thread Jim Bernstein
So now pensions are "paying people for not working"?? The city of Minneapolis as well as every other public agency, many (actually most I think) private companies have pension or retirement plans in which the company pays a percentage but the worker pays a higher percentage. Pensions are earned