On 1/9/06, Björn Krombholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/10/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Just to further prove the point: If you have the same song on two releases
> > with different script, will you change the Cyrrilic track title to Latin
> > because the song in the globa
On Tuesday 10 January 2006 11:33, Lukas Lalinsky wrote:
> Hi,
>
> may I rename the 'mix engineered by' AR type and close this ticket?
> http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/12
I believe the debate on that has finished, and the consensus was yes, with no
major objections. Go ahead and make the
On Tuesday 10 January 2006 14:25, Björn Krombholz wrote:
> On 1/10/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:05:05 +0100, Björn Krombholz wrote:
> > > I agree and I see that you are already working on it. I created
> > > http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/85 a few ho
On 1/10/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:54:28 +0100, Björn Krombholz wrote:
> > Right, but not to the song on it's own and the song in the global
> > context. It's related to the release, and so belongs to the
> > annotation.
> But the track is not the song of its
On 1/10/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:05:05 +0100, Björn Krombholz wrote:
>
> > I agree and I see that you are already working on it. I created
> > http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/85 a few hours ago, to show
> > that SG5DR is not 100% finished, please cl
On 1/9/06, Marco Sola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Il Monday, January 09, 2006 6:46 PM
> Björn Krombholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:
> > A release is the combination of the "thing where the music is on" and
> > the market were it is available. If it was only the physical CD then
> > we wouldn't
No, there's a problem underlying: how do you define a release?
To me a release is the physical cd which is boild so to be sold in a
market: a brasilian release has portuguese liner notes and a Eu
reelase has what it is needed to be sold in EU. I mean, if the same
identical phisical cd is sold i
On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:05:05 +0100, Björn Krombholz wrote:
On 1/9/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IMO the wording on FeaturingArtistStyleAlternative is the best and
should
be copied to the official guideline.
And, yes, I would volunteer to be delegate for this. I'd like to keep
t
Hi,
may I rename the 'mix engineered by' AR type and close this ticket?
http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/12
Lukas
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:54:28 +0100, Björn Krombholz wrote:
Right, but not to the song on it's own and the song in the global
context. It's related to the release, and so belongs to the
annotation.
But the track is not the song of its own!
In the terms of the ObjectModel, MusicBrainz currently
On 1/9/06, Chris B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Björn Krombholz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > There are 2 possibilities:
> > 1. Remove the redundant version information from the title and put the
> > information into the annotation.
> > 2. Name the track as it is sh
On 1/9/06, Simon Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jan van Thiel wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >I feel that 'album version', 'edit', 'original', etc. are all
> >remix/version names (don't have a good name for this, please think of
> >one so I can add it to a new guideline proposal), comparable to 'Som
A thought that just occurred to me while doing some SG5DR related
cleanup - this feature will need to finally allow alias duplication.
Every disambigulated artist is going to need duplicated transliteration
related aliases. Hadn't seen that mentioned at any point in this so
thought I'd bring i
Chris Bransden wrote:
Ah but proving actual artists intent is near impossible.
Depending on the musician:
-I have CDs where a member of the band drew the cover art and hand
lettered the liner so I feel confident it represents artist intent and
not done by the cover designer.
-I have tracks I
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To: "MusicBrainz style discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:43 PM
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Oh, c'mon: I'm tagging my cd and I have to remeber where it comes from?
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From: "Björn Krombholz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [mb-style] redundant ExtraTitleInformation
On 1/8/06, Decklin Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We're trying to
On 1/9/06, Jan van Thiel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So what strings of text actually indicate where it is released? I know
> that "Made in" doesn't say anything about the release country; bad
> choice of words. But:
> I've seen things like
> "(P) & (C) 1995"
Could be used with caution for the re
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that's just it - it is hardly ever printed on releases. the only way you can
know is either knowledge of the particular label involved's distribution
methods (makes it easier if they are called 'Virgin Records UK' or
whatever) - discogs is a good resource for this - or from amazon.co.uk (or
whe
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [mb-style] redundant ExtraTitleInformation
Chris Bransden writes:
Ah but proving actual artists intent is near impossible.
This is true, and s
On 1/9/06, Marco Sola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perfect. We have two idea of what a release is and I guess your is the MB
> one.
"Release date" has a fairly standard meaning. The date an item
(whether CD, book, DVD, computer game) was allowed to be put on-sale
in stores. You can see that date
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On 1/9/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> IMO the wording on FeaturingArtistStyleAlternative is the best and should
> be copied to the official guideline.
>
> And, yes, I would volunteer to be delegate for this. I'd like to keep this
> quick, though.
I agree and I see that you are already
Il Monday, January 09, 2006 6:46 PM
Björn Krombholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:
No, there's a problem underlying: how do you define a release?
To me a release is the physical cd which is boild so to be sold in a
market: a brasilian release has portuguese liner notes and a Eu
reelase has w
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ReQUEST> if a CD/record says "Made in EU"
or "Made in Europe", why shouldn't we> use that information?>
> because that's
On 1/8/06, Decklin Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We're trying to build a database of music, not a database of
> transcriptions of packaging.
Well spoken.
There are 2 possibilities:
1. Remove the redundant version information from the title and put the
information into the annotation.
2. Nam
On 1/9/06, Marco Sola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Il Monday, January 09, 2006 5:22 AM
> Björn Krombholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:
> > Well, the ongoing discussion shows, that it is not, because it is not
> > just a matter of simply adding EU.
> Why? I still can't see what is the matter in ad
Il Monday, January 09, 2006 6:29 PM
Jan van Thiel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:
And we probably also need the ability to enter artist
resolutions for all artists, not just the ones with exactly the same name.
This is a long time request. Anyway I created ticket
http://test.musicbrainz.org/t
On 1/9/06, Björn Krombholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/9/06, Rod Begbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 1/9/06, Marco Sola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > If you add a VA entry, MB does not ask you to disambiguate Artists that
> > > have
> > > an exact match. Could be well done but what i
On 1/9/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 09/01/06, Jan van Thiel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've read all 36 messages in this thread and have one thing to say: if
> > a CD/record says "Made in EU" or "Made in Europe", why shouldn't we
> > use that information?
>
> because that'
Chris Bransden writes:
> Ah but proving actual artists intent is near impossible.
This is true, and so we have to guess to some extent, but... I don't
think there's any case where I would assume that an artist wanted
something released under two different names (this is distinct from the
whole "(
On 1/9/06, Rod Begbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/9/06, Marco Sola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If you add a VA entry, MB does not ask you to disambiguate Artists that have
> > an exact match. Could be well done but what it happens is that in MB there
> > are Artist like "Schubert"
> > http
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Subject: Re: [mb-style] redundant
ExtraTitleInformation
On 09/01/06, Decklin Foster
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Cristov R
On 09/01/06, Decklin Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Cristov Russell writes:> I tend to agree. Although I would discourage any guideline that says "as> printed on the cover" because people far too often take such things as> gospel, I do feel that there is not a good argument to remove or drop the
On 09/01/06, Jan van Thiel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,I've read all 36 messages in this thread and have one thing to say: ifa CD/record says "Made in EU" or "Made in Europe", why shouldn't weuse that information?because that's useless info :) no-one cares where a CD/record is made, unless we are
On 1/9/06, Decklin Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, this works for me. Is there (will there be?) some way to see (or
> add, if necessary) this relationship? I.e., "Funky Shit (album version)"
> on single is actually the same as "Funky Shit" on album, even though
> that's a different namespac
On 1/7/06, Björn Krombholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The first to cases could be solved by adding "unknown" as valid values
> to both year and country.
I think this is the best option. If you don't know that where a CD
was released, but you know it was released in 1995, you should be able
to e
On 1/9/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Muddy Waters - Rollin' Stone
> (p) + (c) Green Line Records 1989. Made in the E.E.C.
So you should be able to enter "Released in 1989 in uknown countries".
I think the "allowing unknown country or year" option is the fix for
this, rather than add
On 1/9/06, Jan van Thiel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've read all 36 messages in this thread and have one thing to say: if
> a CD/record says "Made in EU" or "Made in Europe", why shouldn't we
> use that information?
Because that only tells you where a CD was pressed, not where it was released.
Cristov Russell writes:
> I tend to agree. Although I would discourage any guideline that says "as
> printed on the cover" because people far too often take such things as
> gospel, I do feel that there is not a good argument to remove or drop the
> information.
Additionally, I would like to expr
Cristov Russell writes:
> I would propose we allow this information to remain and be included in
> square brackets. For example Josh Groban's Closer
> http://www.joshgroban.com/store/music_video.html
>
> Closer
> Closer [Limited Edition]
> Closer [Internet-Only Fan Edition]
This should be a sepa
On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:56:00 +0100, Simon Reinhardt wrote:
I think this debate is getting ridiculous. However, here is an example off
my CD shelf that MB should somehow be able to deal with:
Muddy Waters - Rollin' Stone
(p) + (c) Green Line Records 1989. Made in the E.E.C.
Cat# CD3GLP 460
EAN
Now that the server has been updated, the SG5 (on the static style guide)
and FeaturingArtistStyle (on the wiki) need to be updated.
IMO the wording on FeaturingArtistStyleAlternative is the best and should
be copied to the official guideline.
Finally a mail has to be sent to the users list
On 1/9/06, Marco Sola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you add a VA entry, MB does not ask you to disambiguate Artists that have
> an exact match. Could be well done but what it happens is that in MB there
> are Artist like "Schubert"
> http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=277200 , "Beeth
Since months, there is an annying bug that I think someone already pointed
out and for that anyway I just done ticket #83
If you add a VA entry, MB does not ask you to disambiguate Artists that have
an exact match. Could be well done but what it happens is that in MB there
are Artist like "Sch
> Btw I don't understand why people think this note in
> ExtraTitleInformation really only applies to the exact string
> " (album version)". That would be a bit stupid...
> And I also don't understand why they vote no on
> http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4027396 - it's
> following curr
Jan van Thiel wrote:
Hi,
I've read all 36 messages in this thread and have one thing to say: if
a CD/record says "Made in EU" or "Made in Europe", why shouldn't we
use that information? For everything else we have guidelines saying
"Enter what's on the cover/sleeve", but for release countries/re
> Hi,
>
> I feel that 'album version', 'edit', 'original', etc. are all
> remix/version names (don't have a good name for this, please
> think of one so I can add it to a new guideline proposal),
> comparable to 'Some Crazy DJ mix'.
>
> Consider the following two releases:
> single:
> 1. Some
Marco Sola wrote:
Il Monday, January 09, 2006 6:31 AM
Tarragon M. Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:
The further issues here is that, even though they might be released
on the same day, they are arguably different releases. For example,
the U.K. release probably doesn't have German (languag
Decklin Foster wrote:
Don Redman writes:
tracks are something that belong to the context of a _specific_ album.
Therefore it is perfectly legal for the same song to have different
track titles on different albums.
OK, this works for me. Is there (will there be?) some way to see (or
add, if n
Jan van Thiel wrote:
Hi,
I feel that 'album version', 'edit', 'original', etc. are all
remix/version names (don't have a good name for this, please think of
one so I can add it to a new guideline proposal), comparable to 'Some
Crazy DJ mix'.
Consider the following two releases:
single:
1. Some
Hi,
I feel that 'album version', 'edit', 'original', etc. are all
remix/version names (don't have a good name for this, please think of
one so I can add it to a new guideline proposal), comparable to 'Some
Crazy DJ mix'.
Consider the following two releases:
single:
1. Some Song
2. Some Song (albu
Hi,
I've read all 36 messages in this thread and have one thing to say: if
a CD/record says "Made in EU" or "Made in Europe", why shouldn't we
use that information? For everything else we have guidelines saying
"Enter what's on the cover/sleeve", but for release countries/regions
this is impossibl
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