Re: [mb-style] NGS RFC: Make works not be filed under an artist (Was: Spurrious works)

2010-04-04 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phi...@foolip.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 06:43, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: 1) In NGS, a Work is 'filed' under an Artist, just as Releases, Tracks, Release Groups are now. Since this has nothing to do with

Re: [mb-style] NGS RFC: Make works not be filed under an artist (Was: Spurrious works)

2010-04-04 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
2010/4/4 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com: Think of works outside of the classical genre, think of them as songs. Songs usually do have an artist associated with them. For example, most Beatles songs were composed by Lennon/McCartney, but not all of them. Would you not find it useful to see a

[mb-style] RFV: Clarify order of precidence of guidelines and principles

2010-04-04 Thread Brian Schweitzer
No debating still ongoing, this proposal, as ammended (removing Capitalization Standard for future attention separately), is now at RFV. Without veto, the proposal will pass on 2010-04-06. Thanks, Brian On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote:

[mb-style] RFV: Document Live Performance Relationship Type

2010-04-04 Thread Brian Schweitzer
No debate still ongoing, this proposal is now at RFV. Without veto, the proposal will pass on 2010-04-06. Thanks, Brian On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: There's been no comments in two days; so this can't get 'stuck' in the 'ongoing

[mb-style] A proposal has passed (was RFV: Supporting Release Relationship Type)

2010-04-04 Thread Brian Schweitzer
No veto having been heard, and the RFV period having expired, this proposal has now passed. Thanks, Brian On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: This is not an April 1 email. :D No objection having been heard, and the RFC period having

Re: [mb-style] Spurrious works

2010-04-04 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2010/4/4 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/4/3 Philip Jägenstedt phi...@foolip.org On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 03:17, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 3,

Re: [mb-style] Spurrious works

2010-04-04 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Just a minor nit, but... A work has 0 to n composers, Doesn't a work have to have at least one composer, even if that composer is unknown, or 'traditional'? I don't see any reason to give the name Artist to any of these any more than to any other. Either they are all artists, or none are.

[mb-style] 5 minute proposals

2010-04-04 Thread Brian Schweitzer
We have almost nothing active in the pipeline at the moment. So, an open request; please take 5 minutes some time today, and propose just one of the remaining '5 minute guidelines', so we can get them cleared out? :) Brian relationship attribute description: Bonus Relationship Attribute

Re: [mb-style] Spurrious works

2010-04-04 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/4/4 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com Just a minor nit, but... A work has 0 to n composers, Doesn't a work have to have at least one composer, even if that composer is unknown, or

Re: [mb-style] Spurrious works

2010-04-04 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2010/4/4 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/4/4 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com Just a minor nit, but... A work has 0 to n composers, Doesn't a work have to have at

Re: [mb-style] Spurrious works

2010-04-04 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2010/4/4 SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/4/4 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com Just a minor nit, but... A work has 0 to n composers, Doesn't a work have to have at least one composer,

Re: [mb-style] NGS RFC: Make works not be filed under an artist (Was: Spurrious works)

2010-04-04 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2010/4/4 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com 2010/4/4 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com: Think of works outside of the classical genre, think of them as songs. Songs usually do have an artist associated with them. For example, most Beatles songs were composed by Lennon/McCartney, but not

Re: [mb-style] Spurrious works

2010-04-04 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2010/4/4 Philip Jägenstedt phi...@foolip.org On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 01:27, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/4/4 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/4/4 Brian

Re: [mb-style] NGS RFC: Make works not be filed under an artist (Was: Spurrious works)

2010-04-04 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: Think of works outside of the classical genre, think of them as songs. Songs usually do have an artist associated with them. For example, most Beatles songs were composed by Lennon/McCartney, but not all of them.

Re: [mb-style] Spurrious works

2010-04-04 Thread Pavan Chander
I don't see why everyone's getting all fussy about the name of the field. The artist field in MusicBrainz has always had a different definition depending on the context its in. Perhaps naming the field artist is a bad idea, perhaps, but works are bringing enough changes as it is. If they are to

Re: [mb-style] NGS RFC: Make works not be filed under an artist (Was: Spurrious works)

2010-04-04 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
2010/4/5 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com: 2010/4/4 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: Think of works outside of the classical genre, think of them as songs. Songs usually do have an artist

Re: [mb-style] NGS RFC: Make works not be filed under an artist (Was: Spurrious works)

2010-04-04 Thread Brian Schweitzer
2010/4/4 Philip Jägenstedt phi...@foolip.org 2010/4/5 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com: 2010/4/4 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: Think of works outside of the classical genre, think

Re: [mb-style] NGS RFC: Make works not be filed under an artist (Was: Spurrious works)

2010-04-04 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
2010/4/4 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com: That info isn't lost; it's in the recording and performance ARs, where it belongs. You've left out the important 'action word' in that X by Y.  You're talking about X (performed by) by Y, but that, to me, is inherently a Recording

Re: [mb-style] NGS RFC: Make works not be filed under an artist (Was: Spurrious works)

2010-04-04 Thread Brian Schweitzer
2010/4/4 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com 2010/4/4 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com: That info isn't lost; it's in the recording and performance ARs, where it belongs. You've left out the important 'action word' in that X by Y. You're talking about X (performed by) by

Re: [mb-style] NGS RFC: Make works not be filed under an artist (Was: Spurrious works)

2010-04-04 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2010/4/4 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com: On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phi...@foolip.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 06:43, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: 1) In NGS, a Work is 'filed' under an Artist, just as Releases, Tracks, Release Groups