Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-07 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 02:36:19 +0100, Björn Krombholz wrote: On 2/6/06, Don Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO the differentiation only makes sense, if there are works for which you can specify e.g. an orchestrator and a _different_ arranger. [...] BUT I do not listen to classical music.

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-07 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:21:43 +0100, Chris Bransden wrote: hmm i think it's a bit more common than that. at discogs i'd say 1/4-1/3rd of all releases i add have an 'arranged by' credit. most common being 'Arranged By [Strings]' (eg, rock songs with string sections - most rock musicians wouldn't

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-07 Thread Björn Krombholz
On 2/7/06, Don Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 02:36:19 +0100, Björn Krombholz wrote: One possible example was given by azertus in the original discussion in November: http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2005-November/021756.html Although not

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-07 Thread Björn Krombholz
On 2/8/06, Don Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally just to summarise, IIRC there are three proposals on arranging the AR types: /composition class /arrangement /instrumentation /orchestration (Lukas' original proposal. Fuchs did not like the logic of this, I think it is

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-06 Thread Chris Bransden
On 06/02/06, Björn Krombholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/6/06, Don Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My conclusion is that arrangement-in-the-broad-sense should be fine-grained enough. That's exactly what I though when I saw this proposal in October. Even the arranger type is an extremely

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-05 Thread azertus
Lukáš Lalinský wrote: I seem to care about this more then I realized, so I'll try it one more time :) What do you think about this? We will wait until 2006-02-26, when the improved AR editor will available on the main server. This will allow me to create a new AR class and reparent the

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-05 Thread Don Redman
On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:50:14 +0100, Lukáš Lalinský wrote: Don Redman wrote: Ok, I give up. Does this mean I am formalizing things too much again? As I said, I want feedback on this. Without your feedback it is impossible for me to keep the balance between the formalization that really is

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-05 Thread Björn Krombholz
On 2/6/06, Don Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO the differentiation only makes sense, if there are works for which you can specify e.g. an orchestrator and a _different_ arranger. [...] BUT I do not listen to classical music. Maybe someone can provide an example with an orchestrator and a

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-05 Thread Orion
Don Redman wrote: Third, in both your and my examples I see not a single one in which it seems really important (to me) to differentiate between arrangement, orchestration and instrumentation. IMO the differentiation only makes sense, if there are works for which you can specify e.g. an

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-04 Thread azertus
Lukáš Lalinský wrote: Ok, I give up. You've had more courage than me in holding out this long. I don't have time for this now, I'm afraid (or better: I really shouldn't be making time for this right now) You could always try your luck with the SingleFromAlbumRelationshipType :s In a week

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-04 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Don Redman wrote: Ok, I give up. Does this mean I am formalizing things too much again? As I said, I want feedback on this. Without your feedback it is impossible for me to keep the balance between the formalization that really is needed to ensure the quality in this horribly complicated

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-04 Thread Björn Krombholz
On 2/4/06, Lukáš Lalinský [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I give up. Hehe, I can feel with you, although I don't agree because of the (for me unresolved) questions below. Let me just summarize: 1. The original proposal by azertus suggested adding 2 new AR types for instrumentation and

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-03 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Okay, if no one has anything against, I'll add them tomorrow. So you still have some time to stop me :) Don Redman wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:24:28 +0100, Lukáš Lalinský wrote: Don Redman wrote: Lukas, you seem to push for that. Yes, I do. That's because *every* single AR type I've

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-03 Thread Don Redman
On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 01:34:10 +0100, Lukáš Lalinský wrote: Okay, if no one has anything against, I'll add them tomorrow. So you still have some time to stop me :) I will not give you an approval before http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/InstrumentatorRelationshipType has not been written, sorry.

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-02 Thread Steve Wyles
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: I'd say it is. As far as I know, librettist is only used for someone who wrote the text for an opera. yes, that appears to be the case: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=librettist 2006/2/2, Luká? Lalinský [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Don

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-01 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Don Redman wrote: Lukas, you seem to push for that. Yes, I do. That's because *every* single AR type I've ever proposed here already was proposed (and discussed) somewhere else and then successfully forgotten. Can you please write up three short descriptions (that will then come into the

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-01 Thread Don Redman
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:24:28 +0100, Lukáš Lalinský wrote: Don Redman wrote: Lukas, you seem to push for that. Yes, I do. That's because *every* single AR type I've ever proposed here already was proposed (and discussed) somewhere else and then successfully forgotten. Can you please

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-02-01 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Don Redman wrote: Also, is Librettist not a special case of Lyricist? Sorry, I don't know, I didn't add nor propse this AR type. ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-01-30 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:32:24 +0100, Lukas Lalinsky wrote: 2006/1/30, Björn Krombholz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I you can explain them with a bit more info than the standard indicates that ... name of relationship on ..., why not. Though I don't understand the difference between those two and between

Re: [mb-style] arranging/orchestration/instrumentation

2006-01-29 Thread Don Redman
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:30:00 +0100, Lukáš Lalinský wrote: Could we add these subtypes for the 'arranged' relationship? http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2005-November/021782.html I see no reason why we should not. DonRedman -- Words that are written in CamelCase