Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-12 Thread lorenz pressler
Am 11.07.2011, 21:31 Uhr, schrieb Yin Izanami : > As long as mastering/mixing/engineering relationships apply to the > Recording > level, and can't be moved to a Track/Tracklist level (Release level > doesn't > work, because each recording could have different involved people), then > there is

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-12 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/7/11, Paul C. Bryan : > Three examples: > > 1. Remasters take original source material, transfer those to digital > medium, with levels typically adjusted¹ (often to the detriment of the > recording's dynamic range), then use this new master recording as the > basis for releases. In most cases

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-11 Thread Nikki
Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: > Just for France, I'm afraid (it's linked in the wiki page for ISRCs) There's also http://isrc.ncl.edu.tw/ for Taiwan (and some Hong Kong stuff IIRC), but that's probably even less useful for most people here. :) Nikki __

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-11 Thread Alex Mauer
On 07/11/2011 08:54 AM, jacobbrett wrote: > We just need to throw more ISRCs at the problem and it'll go away! Hopefully that’s sarcastic. ISRCs are so completely useless, what with: * flaky CD drives that have trouble reading them correctly from the CD * flaky software that has trouble reading t

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-11 Thread Alex Mauer
On 07/11/2011 02:31 PM, Yin Izanami wrote: > As long as mastering/mixing/engineering relationships apply to the Recording > level, and can't be moved to a Track/Tracklist level (Release level doesn't > work, because each recording could have different involved people), then > there is absolutely no

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-11 Thread Alex Mauer
On 07/10/2011 04:56 PM, Calvin Walton wrote: > I think we have to make a threshold somewhere, and ensure that only > credited remasters that give a significant difference should be counted. > A well-known modern example would be the recent Beatles album remasters > - which went so far as to make st

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-11 Thread Yin Izanami
As long as mastering/mixing/engineering relationships apply to the Recording level, and can't be moved to a Track/Tracklist level (Release level doesn't work, because each recording could have different involved people), then there is absolutely no way you can merge (1) and (2). This is why I disa

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-11 Thread Paul C. Bryan
Three examples: 1. Remasters take original source material, transfer those to digital medium, with levels typically adjusted¹ (often to the detriment of the recording's dynamic range), then use this new master recording as the basis for releases. In most cases, I would expect such a recording have

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-11 Thread Johannes Weißl
Hello Calvin, On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 03:00:10PM -0400, Calvin Walton wrote: > On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 06:54 -0700, jacobbrett wrote: > > We just need to throw more ISRCs at the problem and it'll go away! > > Seriously, is there an online database of ISRCs? > > From what I've seen about the registr

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-11 Thread Calvin Walton
On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 06:54 -0700, jacobbrett wrote: > We just need to throw more ISRCs at the problem and it'll go away! > Seriously, is there an online database of ISRCs? There is now; it's called "Musicbrainz" ;) >From what I've seen about the registration process for ISRCs, there is no requir

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-11 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:54 PM, jacobbrett wrote: > > Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: >> >> 2011/7/11, Johannes Weißl : >>> If you have good reasons to believe that they are the same recording (<5 >>> seconds time difference, same name, comment and artist), I would merge >>> them. The situation for ma

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-11 Thread jacobbrett
Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > > 2011/7/11, Johannes Weißl : >> If you have good reasons to believe that they are the same recording (<5 >> seconds time difference, same name, comment and artist), I would merge >> them. The situation for many artists is terrible, if so many (possib

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-11 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/7/11, Johannes Weißl : > If you have good reasons to believe that they are the same recording (<5 > seconds time difference, same name, comment and artist), I would merge > them. The situation for many artists is terrible, if so many (possibly > identical) recordings exist they have lost any m

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-10 Thread Johannes Weißl
Hello Lorenz, On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 11:49:34PM +0200, lorenz pressler wrote: > > Which brings a question: does "a recording represents unique audio data > > (including eventual mastering and (re-)mixing)" mean that different > > masters > > should be represented by different recordings or not?

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-10 Thread Calvin Walton
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 23:49 +0200, lorenz pressler wrote: > Am 10.07.2011, 23:37 Uhr, schrieb Frederic Da Vitoria > : > > > Which brings a question: does "a recording represents unique audio data > > (including eventual mastering and (re-)mixing)" mean that different > > masters > > should be

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-10 Thread lorenz pressler
Am 10.07.2011, 23:37 Uhr, schrieb Frederic Da Vitoria : > Which brings a question: does "a recording represents unique audio data > (including eventual mastering and (re-)mixing)" mean that different > masters > should be represented by different recordings or not? If they should be > separate

Re: [mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-10 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/7/10 lorenz pressler > > for popular music it is not very common that there is a high amount of > different recordings for one work, however right now there is an insane > amount of recordings present in the database. e.g. i was looking right now > into some novelty song from 1958 [1] which

[mb-style] policy on merging of recordings

2011-07-10 Thread lorenz pressler
for popular music it is not very common that there is a high amount of different recordings for one work, however right now there is an insane amount of recordings present in the database. e.g. i was looking right now into some novelty song from 1958 [1] which has about 50 recordings present