Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2007-05-21 Thread Chris B
On 18/09/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 19/05/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 08/05/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i wish there was some kind of consensus on this - my tags are so > > inconsistant. i have situations like global communication

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-20 Thread Aaron Cooper
On 9/20/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 20/09/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:02:44 +0200, Lauri Watts wrote: > > > On 9/20/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I am right of course, > >> stop arguing already will you, > >> it's you wh

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-20 Thread Jan van Thiel
On 9/20/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To me it looks like there is a difference in what people understand under "album". In the past, MusicBrainz has had a very formal definition of an album. It is my impression that Chris and Aaron are bringing in a definition which is much more mean

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-20 Thread Chris Bransden
On 20/09/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:02:44 +0200, Lauri Watts wrote: > On 9/20/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I am right of course, >> stop arguing already will you, >> it's you who is wrong. > > There's my haiku! Well, IMVHO it applies to you

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-20 Thread Don Redman
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:02:44 +0200, Lauri Watts wrote: On 9/20/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am right of course, stop arguing already will you, it's you who is wrong. There's my haiku! Well, IMVHO it applies to you as well. Neither of you have really been trying to understan

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-20 Thread Lauri Watts
On 9/20/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am right of course, stop arguing already will you, it's you who is wrong. There's my haiku! Regards, -- Lauri "But I wanted one of my own!" Watts ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-styl

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-20 Thread Don Redman
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:37:58 +0200, Matt Howe wrote: On Wednesday 20 September 2006 3:37 pm, Lauri Watts wrote: > off-topic. But I just didn't think that "almost all bonus discs are > Albums" was a fair statement. In fact, I would (and am) argue that I never said that almost all bonus discs

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) &x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-20 Thread Aaron Cooper
Warning! Do *NOT* eat the wheaties!! :) On 9/20/06, Lauri Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/20/06, Matt Howe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 20 September 2006 8:42 pm, Lauri Watts wrote: > > On 9/20/06, Matt Howe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I don't know why you > > > dislike

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) &x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-20 Thread Lauri Watts
On 9/20/06, Matt Howe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 20 September 2006 8:42 pm, Lauri Watts wrote: > On 9/20/06, Matt Howe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know why you > > dislike Chris and I couldn't care less, the point is that your personal > > like/dislike of people should hav

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) &x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-20 Thread Matt Howe
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 8:42 pm, Lauri Watts wrote: > On 9/20/06, Matt Howe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know why you > > dislike Chris and I couldn't care less, the point is that your personal > > like/dislike of people should have no bearing on how you judge their > > suggestions

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-20 Thread Lauri Watts
On 9/20/06, Matt Howe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't know why you dislike Chris and I couldn't care less, the point is that your personal like/dislike of people should have no bearing on how you judge their suggestions/proposals. I don't even know Chris, and have no opinion on him personal

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-20 Thread Matt Howe
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 3:37 pm, Lauri Watts wrote: > > off-topic. But I just didn't think that "almost all bonus discs are > > Albums" was a fair statement. In fact, I would (and am) argue that > > I never said that almost all bonus discs are albums. All I wanted to > say was "bonus disc

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Lauri Watts
On 9/20/06, Aaron Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/19/06, Lauri Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The situations you're describing hardly sound like bonus discs. Reissued albums aren't bonus discs - they may come with a live bonus disc so people will purchase it. Albums that have only been

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) &x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread joan WHITTAKER
eptember 20, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) &x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases) On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, joan WHITTAKER wrote: Okay - this may be over simplistic. To my mind, the issue of a bonus dis

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Steve Wyles
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, joan WHITTAKER wrote: Okay - this may be over simplistic. To my mind, the issue of a bonus disc is an inducement to buy. If it is an inducement to buy - then surely it should be called a "promotional" disc? Yeah, I can where you are coming from. But, that would classif

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread joan WHITTAKER
al Message - From: "Aaron Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MusicBrainz style discussion" Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for s

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Aaron Cooper
On 9/19/06, Lauri Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19/09/06, Lauri Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 19/09/06, Lauri Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > They very ofte

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Chris Bransden
On 19/09/06, Lauri Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What discogs considers an album has no bearing here. What MusicBrainz considers an album is a something that contains largely previously unreleased material, whether it's demos or not is irrelevant. discogs doesn't consider anything to an alb

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Lauri Watts
On 9/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 19/09/06, Lauri Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i think the reason a lot of them are classed as albums is because > > users have been applying the attribute of the primary disc

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Chris Bransden
On 19/09/06, Lauri Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i think the reason a lot of them are classed as albums is because > users have been applying the attribute of the primary disc to all > discs in the release, which is why i added the note

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Lauri Watts
On 9/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 19/09/06, Lauri Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 19/09/06, Lauri Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > They very often _are_ albums. Just because you choose to call them > > >

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Chris Bransden
On 19/09/06, Lauri Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19/09/06, Lauri Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > They very often _are_ albums. Just because you choose to call them > > other doesn't make them not-albums. > > example of a bonus di

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Lauri Watts
On 9/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 19/09/06, Lauri Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Why should the ReleaseAttribute for a Bonus Disc normally not be 'album'? > > > > because they are not normally albums :) (exceptions? i can't think of any) > > Your argument, then, is

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Aaron Cooper
On 9/19/06, Lauri Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19/09/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:56:06 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: > > Why should the ReleaseAttribute for a Bonus Disc normally not be 'album'

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Chris Bransden
On 19/09/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:09:08 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: > On 19/09/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:56:06 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: >> >> >> so, i tried to create some kind of rule for bonus discs - >> >>

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Chris Bransden
On 19/09/06, Lauri Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19/09/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:56:06 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: > > Why should the ReleaseAttribute for a Bonus Disc normally not be 'album

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Don Redman
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:09:08 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: On 19/09/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:56:06 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: >> so, i tried to create some kind of rule for bonus discs - >> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/BonusDisc (the ammendment section)

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Steve Wyles
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Lauri Watts wrote: If it must be mentioned at all, I would like to see it reworded as: "Note the release attribute of bonus discs are not necessarily the same as the album they were distributed with. Use 'live', 'remix' or 'compilation' as most appropriate." Yes, this wo

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Lauri Watts
On 9/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 19/09/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:56:06 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: > Why should the ReleaseAttribute for a Bonus Disc normally not be 'album'? because they are not normally albums :) (exceptions?

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Chris Bransden
On 19/09/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:56:06 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: >> so, i tried to create some kind of rule for bonus discs - >> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/BonusDisc (the ammendment section) >> >> thoughts? > > i still think this is a worthy ammendmen

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-19 Thread Don Redman
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:56:06 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: so, i tried to create some kind of rule for bonus discs - http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/BonusDisc (the ammendment section) thoughts? i still think this is a worthy ammendment, and noticed another case for it today. any thoughts? Why sh

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x(disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-18 Thread Michelle .
From: "Chris Bransden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:31:00 +0100 On 18/09/06, Frederic Da Vitoria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it makes sense. Are there examples of more than one bolus disc? If so, we would need some way to distinguish them by title (even if they don't ha

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-18 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2006/9/18, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On 18/09/06, Frederic Da Vitoria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I think it makes sense. Are there examples of more than one bolus disc? If> so, we would need some way to distinguish them by title (even if they don't > have a specific title)."(bonus disc 1

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-18 Thread Chris Bransden
On 18/09/06, Frederic Da Vitoria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it makes sense. Are there examples of more than one bolus disc? If so, we would need some way to distinguish them by title (even if they don't have a specific title). "(bonus disc 1)" / "(bonus disc 2)" maybe? i guess it follow

Re: RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-18 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2006/9/18, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On 19/05/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On 08/05/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:> > i wish there was some kind of consensus on this - my tags are so> > inconsistant. i have situations like global communication's 76:14> >

RFC: BonusDisc ammendment (was: Re: [mb-style] x (disc 1) & x (disc 2), vs x & x (bonus disc) / version info for special releases)

2006-09-18 Thread Chris Bransden
On 19/05/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 08/05/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i wish there was some kind of consensus on this - my tags are so > inconsistant. i have situations like global communication's 76:14 > special edition being a seperate release ( > http: