Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 10:54:16PM +0200, Rado S wrote: > color header ^dispo... color1 color2 that is what I currently do, but you cannot call this a notification. In fact it is nothing more then a mark. And so its a workaround again. > One action: macro(s). Well, you are right that this e

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 09:50:41AM +0200, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: I don't know whats those 'many other', but mutt does support nearly all common email features I am aware off. It even supports Delivery Status Notifications that are (as far as I can see that) less wideley supported and therefo

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread David Ellement
On 2007-10-17, Stephan Seitz wrote > What you want is an invasion of privacy of every reader. It is not of your > concern if and when a user reads your mail. Mr. Schoenfeld has stated several times in this thread that he is trying to respond to requests for a return receipt from his *customers*.

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 11:10:21AM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 09:50:41AM +0200, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > >I don't know whats those 'many other', but mutt does support nearly all > >common email features I am aware off. It even supports Delivery Status > >Notification

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 11:10:21AM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > But DSNs are the way to go. The server should send the notification that it how can you define whats the way to go, if I can show you a usecase were this is exactly isn't whats needed neither whats wanted? It has been said a lo

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 04:10:22AM -0700, David Ellement wrote: > Mr. Schoenfeld has stated several times in this thread that he is trying > to respond to requests for a return receipt from his *customers*. It is > his concern that his customers be satisfied. Yes. Thanks for pointing that out. It

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 10:04:34PM -0400, cga2000 wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 06:32:00PM EDT, Derek Martin wrote: > > Maintaining patches for features that lots of people want is a stupid > > waste of work. If the maintainers don't want to maintain the code, > > then they probably should stop

encrypt to self with gpgme?

2007-10-17 Thread Alexander Dahl
Hi everyone, I have a self configured mutt 1.5.16 with encryption via gpgme: -CRYPT_BACKEND_CLASSIC_PGP -CRYPT_BACKEND_CLASSIC_SMIME +CRYPT_BACKEND_GPGME That works fine despite of this bug: http://dev.mutt.org/trac/ticket/2913 I noticed today that there is no "encrypt to self" functionality

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Charles Cazabon
Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Being able to say, "Mutt can do that, if you write a script to do it, > and write a macro to invoke the script and..." does not constitute > support for a feature in Mutt. Not sure why not. The particular script or hook in question is trivially simple --

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 07:52:03AM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote: > > Being able to say, "Mutt can do that, if you write a script to do it, > > and write a macro to invoke the script and..." does not constitute > > support for a feature in Mutt. > > Not sure why not. The particular script or

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 07:52:03AM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote: > Actually, one of the things that makes mutt suck less than other MUAs is that > it *doesn't* have additional hundreds of little-used "features" to cause > bloat, bugs, user confusion, and UI complication for no real added benefit. >

Mutt Quick Reference v.1.00

2007-10-17 Thread Joseph
Since I couldn't find one I created Mutt Quick Reference v1.0 (PDF file) especially useful for new users. It is just two pages reference and looks best when you print it on a Color Printer. I wanted to add a link to MuttWiki but I think it is locked. Anyhow, you can view it and download it from:

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, Derek I can only agree with you in everything you wrote. On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:58:52AM -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > Actually I think this is a fine example of why that argument is total > nonsense. Since SMTP support has been added, in what measurable way > has it caused Mutt to suck mo

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread David Champion
> What you want is an invasion of privacy of every reader. It is not of your > concern if and when a user reads your mail. Such a feature should never be > part of mutt. Besides if you are sending a mail to more than one recipient > or an alias, you will get a notification from every recipient.

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Jing Xue
Quoting Stephan Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: What you want is an invasion of privacy of every reader. It is not of your concern if and when a user reads your mail. Such a feature should never be part of mutt. It is not of the sender's concern _only_ when the recipient says so. The recipient _

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Rado S
=- Jing Xue wrote on Wed 17.Oct'07 at 12:17:08 -0400 -= > The point here is, people and groups of people operate vastly > differently, often in ways that we never think of. > > So why should an MUA be so morally judgmental? If nobody does, where should moral come from? If somebody does, why is a

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 09:10:38PM +0200, Rado S wrote: > > In fact, I couldn't care less about mail receipts myself on a > > technical level. The reason I got involved in this debate is > > because I can't agree that a tool should decide whether a feature > > is socially appropriate or not for its

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Rado S
=- Patrick Schoenfeld wrote on Wed 17.Oct'07 at 9:50:41 +0200 -= > > color header ^dispo... color1 color2 > > that is what I currently do, but you cannot call this a > notification. In fact it is nothing more then a mark. And so its a > workaround again. Hum... now we are at preference level an

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Rado S
=- Derek Martin wrote on Wed 17.Oct'07 at 15:22:41 -0400 -= > Taking this argument to extremes, Mutt can contain *NO CODE* and that > argument still applies. The user is still free to implement whatever > missing features he wants, using shell scripts to glue together > self-written programs and

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Shanahan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Charles Cazabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [10-17-07 09:51]: > Actually, one of the things that makes mutt suck less than other MUAs > is that it *doesn't* have additional hundreds of little-used > "features" to cause bloat, bugs, user confusion, and UI com

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Joseph
On 10/17/07 15:37, Patrick Shanahan wrote: [snip] > > As a related example, I'm still disappointed SMTP support got added. > > agreed, repetition of a function already provided by default > installation of all linux distros that I am familiar. It's akin to > including an editor, html browser, pic

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Jing Xue
Quoting Rado S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: =- Jing Xue wrote on Wed 17.Oct'07 at 12:17:08 -0400 -= The point here is, people and groups of people operate vastly differently, often in ways that we never think of. So why should an MUA be so morally judgmental? If nobody does, where should moral com

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Rado S
=- David Champion wrote on Wed 17.Oct'07 at 10:42:41 -0500 -= > If your business environment requires MDN replies, then the upshot > is that mutt is regarded as unacceptable in the business > environment. Nobody wins. Depends on what you want to achieve: do we want mutt to be acceptable in the bu

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Rado S
=- Jing Xue wrote on Wed 17.Oct'07 at 16:07:28 -0400 -= >> If nobody does, where should moral come from? >> If somebody does, why is anyone more qualified than the other? >> If all are the same, why not the coder(s)? > > Because coders are supposed to code solutions into a tool, not to > code thei

Re: Mutt Quick Reference v.1.00

2007-10-17 Thread Tom
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 09:13:11AM -0600, Joseph wrote: > Since I couldn't find one I created Mutt Quick Reference v1.0 (PDF file) > especially useful for new users. > #Joseph > GPG KeyID: ED0E1FB7 Thanks, I'm not new user, but I'll use the guide. Tom

Re: Mutt Quick Reference v.1.00

2007-10-17 Thread Eyolf Ă˜strem
On 17.10.2007 (09:13), Joseph wrote: > Since I couldn't find one I created Mutt Quick Reference v1.0 (PDF file) > especially useful for new users. Excellent work! > If you would like me to add/expand some entires with additional > information just let me know. As for mutt-internal stuff, I do

Re: Mutt Quick Reference v.1.00

2007-10-17 Thread Joseph
On 10/18/07 00:47, Eyolf ?strem wrote: > On 17.10.2007 (09:13), Joseph wrote: > > Since I couldn't find one I created Mutt Quick Reference v1.0 (PDF file) > > especially useful for new users. > > Excellent work! Thanks. > > > If you would like me to add/expand some entires with additional >

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread cga2000
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 07:33:46AM EDT, Derek Martin wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 10:04:34PM -0400, cga2000 wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 06:32:00PM EDT, Derek Martin wrote: > > > Maintaining patches for features that lots of people want is a stupid > > > waste of work. If the maintainers

Re: Mutt Quick Reference v.1.00

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Shanahan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [10-17-07 19:47]: > I would be interested in mairix as well as I'm using maildir format. jfyi, mairix now also works with mbox files :^) - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http

Flagged messages with mairix

2007-10-17 Thread Ajeet
Hi, I just finished setting up mairix, and it seems pretty good. In particular, I like the feature that I can view flagged messages from all the mailboxes in one list. One feature that I think would be nice to have, is the ability to make the changes to the flag stick to the original mailbox. F

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Jing Xue
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:42:06PM +0200, Rado S wrote: > =- Jing Xue wrote on Wed 17.Oct'07 at 16:07:28 -0400 -= > > > > Because coders are supposed to code solutions into a tool, not to > > code their ideology into it. (well as far as software tools are > > concerned) > > Why is that so? > It's

Using Mairix

2007-10-17 Thread Rem P Roberti
I just installed Mairix, and the program works fine, except that I don't seem to be able to access the mfolder from within Mutt. When I do a search Mairix creates the requiste "mfolder" containing cur, new, and tmp, and the result of the search is placed in the "new" subdirectory. But I am unable

Re: Mutt Quick Reference v.1.00

2007-10-17 Thread Jonas Jacobsson
Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [10-17-07 19:47]: > > I would be interested in mairix as well as I'm using maildir format. > > jfyi, mairix now also works with mbox files :^) How does mairix integrate with Mutt? I am very interested, but does it work with Cyrus? /jonas