Bye, for now

I'm leaving my job to return to school, and my new priorities mean i can't really keep up with the traffic on the mutt lists anymore. Also, mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will start bouncing soon. However, if anyone has any questions about S/MIME or the index_context patch*, you can reach me at [EMAIL

Re: Deleting a message from multiple folders

en, every now and then i go into =spam, double-check for false positives, tag everything, and apply a script which does the message-matching-and-deleting trick i mentioned in an earlier message. Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg28929/pg

Re: sorting by date question

> Is there a way to have mutt sort it by the date received instead of > the date sender marks it with? Sure is: Sort (d)ate/(f)rm/(r)ecv/(s)ubj/t(o)/(t)hread/(u)nsort/si(z)e/s(c)ore?: ^^ -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg28925/pgp0.pgp Descr

Re: Deleting a message from multiple folders

ectly confident that i'm deleting the right message. And i won't have to strcmp all 20,000 messages in the archive, since i just have to look at messages whose filesize is exactly the same. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg28921/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Deleting a message from multiple folders

> spamassassin (http://spamassassin.org/) works well for me and it is > set up for use w/ procmail. you add a recipe to run spamassassin. > spamassassin tags it and then you can do whatever you want with the > spam with another recipe. Yeah, spamassassin is very cool, but unfortunately it's not

Deleting a message from multiple folders

ox and see eighteen pieces of spam, i'd like to tag them all, run a macro, and have those messages deleted not only from my inbox, but also from the two archive folders. Has anyone here done anything like this? Anyone got a suggestion? Thanks -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Resea

Re: [Slightly OT] Arrgggg! Data Recovery!

any folders, is to just change into the "source" folder, tag all messages ("T."), and then save all tagged messages to the "destination" folder. If you use mbox, you can just cat the folders together. If you use maildir, you can just copy every file in cur/ and new/

Re: trash function (was 3 quick questions)

> What is a "folder history"? Press c and then up. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg28736/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: 3 quick questions

> Well here's a feature request. I wish there were an option to have > mutt prompt you for which return address to use, being able to pick > from a menu of addresses set somewhere in the muttrc. Any > possibility? Sure, just use this simple command from within mutt: !cd /usr/src/mutt && $EDITO

Re: indicator color question

o turn it on; just leave the indicator setting at its default, which i believe is: mono indicator reverse -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg28595/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

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> I have install mutt 1.2.5.1 on sco openserver 5 > i would like to have it in french, what have i to do ? > thanks Try 'export LANG=fr_FR' before running mutt. Also, using a subject line of "URGENT!!!" was pretty rude. Essayez 'export LANG=fr_FR' avant mutt courant. D'ailleurs, utilisant une li

Re: How does mutt send mail?

> Looking through the mutt executable, I can't see any references to > sendmail. How'd you look? Here's what i get: $ strings mutt | grep sendmail sendmail_wait /usr/sbin/sendmail -oem -oi /usr/sbin/sendmail -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg27926/pgp

Re: "permission denied" messages flashes across screen

n your editor -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg27850/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: About wrapping lines.

name IIRC. It provides a variable, post-uses-fill-mode, on by default, which turns on post mode when composing a message. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg27806/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: About wrapping lines.

if you want to use a long line anyway, it's pretty easy to either turn off auto fill mode, or just edit the one line. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg27780/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Transition from Pine to Mutt

ow if you'd like to see mine. I remember having all sorts of frustrations coming from Pine to mutt, but one by one i found that there was a .muttrc setting that would fix the problem. Within a week or two i couldn't imagine going back to Pine. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research

Re: history for builtin editor?

> The history will only save mutt commands and not anything you do in your > shell I don't think that's what he's saying. Some programs (like PostgreSQL's psql tool) remember their history across invocations. The request (and i think it's a great one) is for

Re: muttrc mode for emacs

> This is a permanent URL. The site will move soon. Which is it? -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg27590/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: X-Header

tutes its output at that position, giving you something like: X-Issue: Red Hat Linux release 7.2 (Enigma) -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg27526/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Way OT: procmail and dupes

hide the first message for a "large" amount of time and only reveal it if no second message arrives before the first leaves the cache. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg27350/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

OT: .procmailrc

ope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^a-zA-Z])?)', which should catch all destination specifications containing a specific word. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg27316/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: List-Reply

rg", and both copies of the message will have that. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg27309/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: List-Reply

message, they should just use the one-line procmail/formmail solution to remove duplicate messages. And if their OS doesn't support that, it's a great incentive to upgrade to one which does. :) -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg27225/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: S/MIME

gn is going to help that. Will Outlook pop up a message which asks Joe AOL User, "Do you marginally trust this, or ultimately trust it?" Joe doesn't understand the security issues. With S/MIME, the only question is, "Do you trust [company] to certify that people are who they say they are?" Assuming Joe does, everything else is completely automatic. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg27189/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Signature report

ature from "Mike Schiraldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" gpg: aka "Mike Schiraldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" [-- End of PGP output --] If that report were printed at the end of the message, i could just end my message with a ton of blank lines and few people would b

Re: Signature report

> Is there anywy to get mutt putting the gpg/pgp signature check report > 'after' the message, instead of top? That could be bad, as people could end their email with a fake report and a bunch of ~s. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg26396/pgp0.pgp

Re: OT: OS definition thread

> > No, not really. It's marketing. > > The definition of OS isn't marketing, it's Computer Science. It's > been presented. It agrees with what I said. Get over it. Okay, i think this argument is finished. I'll summarize: Some people believe that the Operating System is the kernel plus

OT: OS / distro / kernel

> > Except that Linux is only the kernel. Linux + GNU + some other files and > > configuration is the OS. That, plus some applications is the distribution. > > You're wrong. How is he wrong? msg26360/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Tag or delete by date or age -> pattern ~d

> apropos: > anyone have a utility to calculate the > number of days between two given dates? > i mean - easily? no perl script > with dozens of modules, please! I'd do this, assuming you have the GNU version of date: #! /bin/sh expr \( `date -d "$2" +%s` - `date -d "$1" +%s` \) / 86400 This a

Re: Scrolling the Index

> Here's a patch. I'm currently using it and haven't seen any problems, but i > haven't exactly stress-tested it yet, either. The patch makes mutt act spastic if you set index_context to a huge number (greater than, approximately, your window size divided by two). So don't do that. msg26284/p

Re: Scrolling the Index

> What'd I'd like to see is a behavior where the list starts scrolling as > you get within some arbitrary number (2-3 probably) of lines from the > bottom. You know what? I've wanted this functionality for a long time and i didn't even consciously realize it. Here's a patch. I'm currently using

Re: How to - keystrokes?

> * change to main inbox? ! is a shortcut for that one, so c! is probably what you want. > * select and save a group of messages matching a pattern to a particular > folder? Check out the help screen you get when pressing '?': T tag-pattern tag messages matching a pattern ;

Re: M$ Outhouse E. for UNIX

> > % * Outlook Express is easy to set up and use, and provides you with > > % secure, personalized, and complete features that make creating, > > % sending, and reading your e-mail a more rich and dynamic > > % experience. > > "experience" is another of those words, that in the context of > adve

Re: Replacing a message with its filtered output

> > or "grep -v '^X-Priority'" would work. > > .. which you can use via a subshell. I don't know. It would be nice to press the key bound to and type, like, perl -pe 's/<.*?>//g' to remove all HTML tags from a message. Or tr A-Za-z N-ZA-Mn-za-m to rot13 a message. Of course, that'd mess up t

Re: Replacing a message with its filtered output

Here's the patch. I wrote it, i'll let you test it. Don't forget to "sleep 1" or else mutt will assume your script didn't do anything. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research Index: OPS === RCS

Re: Replacing a message with its filtered output

a command called ? It prompts "Edit with command: " and then calls the , but with your command as the editor. Then you could say: macro index ^ "filter.pl\n" and have your one-key filter. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg25861/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Filtering a message from the index -> procmail

has mutt change the file's timestamp to "one second ago" before calling the editor, so that you wouldn't need that pause. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg25825/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Changing/inserting headers with a macro

> Tend to omit pronouns in subject position... Okay, will do so.

Re: [RFE] Tree and background color in index

ds an overhaul, but we don't feel like doing it right now. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature

Re: POP New Messages

> Is there a way to tell Mutt to only download the new messages from the POP > server? I have a very complex, completely undocumented and not at all user-friendly perl script that can do that for you. Anyone who wants it, let me know. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research ms

Re: Disabling Shell Command function

Also, look into mount's "noexec" switch, or else users can mail themselves arbitrary binaries and then save them in the jail and run them. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg25307/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Disabling Shell Command function

e arbitrary commands. So i'd strongly recommend chroot. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg25306/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: FCC to a program/pipe?

> FCC to a local file which is watched by the external program? If you chose this route, i suggest you use maildir format -- then you can just use a short shell script to look for new files, process them, and delete them. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg25101/pgp0.

Re: procmail log tailing (was "Re: mutt and noatime partitions")

Each one is displayed in a different color, directly onto my root window (in other words, my desktop wallpaper). If you're interested, reply directly to me and i'll send you my modifications. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg25053/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Various questions from a new user

t- Errors-To Envelope-To' > folder-hook IN-Spambox 'unignore *' This is a wild guess, but try putting a '\' before the '-', since the first arg is a regexp. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg24983/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

S/MIME display bug

Looks like we've got a display-corruption bug in current CVS -- when a message arrives whose "From" address doesn't match any in the S/MIME cert (like this message), the screen gets garbled. A warning should absolutely be displayed, but should mutt_any_key_to_continue() be called? A previous bugf

Re: S/MIME Howto

-. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg24706/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: S/MIME Howto

Sorry if this seems like a "did you check the power cord" answer, but you mention that you have two certificates. Are you positive that the one you are encrypting to is the one which is installed in Outlook? -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg24705/pgp0.pgp Descri

Re: keybindings for mutt in Sun's DTTERM

sending -- for example, run "od" and type -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg24693/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: S/MIME Howto

oc/smime-notes.txt and contrib/smime.rc. If you have any difficulty at all or suggestions for improving either of those files, please let me know. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg24679/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Reply quoting an unwrapped message

I originally made it automatic, but i found that it would often end up rewrapping stuff that i would have wanted it to leave alone. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg24646/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Aborting a message

sks, "Postpone?" He doesn't want to postpone, he just wants mutt to pretend he never hit q If he says "y", the message is postponed and he has to recall it If he says "n", the message is thrown away He wants some way to cancel the "q". -- Mike Schiraldi Ver

Re: forground color of the indicator

ke a pretty good idea. We're working on redesigning mutt's color system, but it's rather difficult to come up with something that's simple in syntax yet powerful enough to do what you requested. Plus (hopefully) backwards-compatible. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg24482/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Breaking News: Lusers _want_ to quote email replies The Right Way.

I think this all stems from people not trimming away quoted material. If everyone's going to quote pages of needless text, it makes sense to put your replies at the top; otherwise you'd have to skip past pages of worthless filler to get to the actual message. When was the last time you saw someon

Re: Sorting in mailbox question

> is just _which_ number this should be. Imagine a mixture of your and > my scenery ... this could result in something like: > sort=thread > sort_aux=score > sort_aux2=subject > sort_aux3=date No, no, that syntax is all wrong. I suggest sort=thread sort_aux=score sort_aux_aux=subject sort_aux_a

Re: slackware term question

> dlm@lymond:~$ echo $MAIL > /var/spool/mail/dlm > > looks like it's ok.. Well, what "mailbox checking feature" were you specifically referring to? Mutt's command? -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg24232/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: slackware term question

What's your $TERM? And does your $MAIL point to your spool? msg24228/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: 'N' indicator in folder list

s unread mail will be marked with "N", __unless it is the currently selected folder__. This is because the buffy struct for the current folder has its "new" flag set to 0 even if it would be 1 were it not the current folder. Is there a reason for this? (Replies to mutt-dev on

Re: 'N' indicator in folder list

> Look for mark_old in the manual. I already "unset mark_old" .. so none of my messages are ever marked O. They're marked N until i read them. I should probably wade into the buffy code before this thread gets any longer. msg24196/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: 'N' indicator in folder list

> % it, but i'd imagine it would be really easy to use this preexisting > % functionality to look at all mailboxes. > > It already does :-) I guess we're talking about different things here. I'll try to be more specific: I come into work in the morning and go into my =mutt folder. There are, sa

Re: Index colors

Sorry, i just realized i misinterpreted your meaning of "status" .. what specific attributes are you looking for? I presume you've already read through http://mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-4.html#patterns msg24188/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Index colors

> Is it possible to color the message index lines according to message > status? Do you know about settings like: color index brightcyan default ~P ...or are you talking about something else? msg24187/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: 'N' indicator in folder list

> How could you tell that, though? When i call change-folder, the default is always the next folder which contains unread messages. I haven't had a chance to look into how it does it, but i'd imagine it would be really easy to use this preexisting functionality to look at all mailboxes. msg24

Re: 'N' indicator in folder list

> % However, one thing I have noticed is that when I am viewing my list of > % mailboxes ('c' then 'tab'), there are no 'N' indicators next to mailboxes > % which contain unread mail. > > Don't define "new" as 'contains unread mail', but instead as 'has been > read from since it was last written

OT: s/mime questions

> 99% of the people i correspond with simply don't care, so i generally > don't bother to encrypt or sign my communications with them. 99% of the people don't care about good passwords, but we still force them to pick good ones. 99% of the people don't care about secure http, but amazon.com stil

Re: s/mime questions

> The people you are likely to coorespond with that wouldn't be able to take > advantage of it would also likely not need to, either because they didn't > know enough to care. [...] Thus you could continue to communicate with all > people the way you want, without imposing unneccessary expectation

Re: mutt and NFS

> Really it's only sometimes, and seems to be the last folder I was in, > or at least the last one modified. After changing folders, it will > tell me a few times that there is new mail in that folder, but when I > change to it, there is no new mail. And nothing in my procmail log. > Seems to go

Re: s/mime questions

27; folder-hook =mutt 'set smime_is_default=no' -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research msg24093/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: s/mime questions

7;s anywhere near as small as a PGP signature. I know it's bad netiquette to waste other people's bandwidth, but i also think unsecure email needs to be deprecated as soon as possible. Suggestions? -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature

Re: s/mime questions

t Thomas a patch which sets umask 077 for the entire script. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature

Re: is it possible to have color reversed indicator?

;d post a URL, but it'd probably be bigger than the patch itself. :) Open source: Implementing the features you want before you even want them. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research indicator.patch.gz Description: application/gunzip smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature

Re: is it possible to have color reversed indicator?

not selected, it will be green on red when it is selected. Or were you looking for some other kind of behavior? -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature

Re: Why is mutt 1.5 using reverse video when 1.3.23 didn't?

that it wasn't actually 1.3.23i after all. We're not yet sure what it is. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature

Re: Why is mutt 1.5 using reverse video when 1.3.23 didn't?

> Does anybody have suggestions on how to get back to where I used > to be? I'm sure this is related to some changes to menu.c that went in last night. Roll back to yesterday's version and you should be okay. I'll see if i can fix the problem. -- Mike Schiraldi Veri

Re: Kill mails automaticly

hat be a big problem, if one or two messages stuck around for a few extra weeks? You can always manually delete the special cases. Or could it somehow be possible for a message to be deleted -before- its time? -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature

Re: S/MIME patch for Mutt-1.3.26

reen is messed up: > in foreground what should be white appears black, red appears cyan, > yellow is green, and blue is magenta... I have the same problems with slang, regardless of whether the indicator patch is applied. Is there a fix for this, or is it a limitation of slang? -- Mike Sch

Re: S/MIME patch for Mutt-1.3.26

> This context colored indicator patch seems to have no effect when > Mutt (versions 1.2.5 and 1.3.27) is linked with slang (version 1.4.4). Yow! I'll take a look and post my findings. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature

Re: Why sign posts on mailinglists?

miliar with PGP, but at least with S/MIME, a signed message generally contains the sender's certificate (public key). So by signing your messages, it gets your certificate "out there". This means, for example, that someone could take just this signed message, extract my certif

Re: macros or hook?

--do-reply $1; else vi --don't $1; fi -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature

Re: [OT] html email

l comes down to who should be in control -- in my opinion, i, the reader, should be able to control how a message is presented to me. I suppose it's equally valid for them to say, "I, the sender, should be able to control how a message is presented to you." -- Mike Schiraldi Ver

message filtering in mutt

ation" +macro generic \eF "!man procmail\n" "Filter messages into different mailboxes" # If Mutt is unable to determine your site's domain name correctly, you can # set the default here. ;) -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

x27;re done, forever. No recurring annoyance, no per-site policies. user_pref("font.minimum-size.x-western", 13); See http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html for details. Search the page for the string "Don't ever" -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature

Re: S/MIME patch for Mutt-1.3.26

The S/MIME patch i posted for 1.3.26 also works with 1.3.27. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature

Re: X-Face Header in mutt

> Anybody know of an X11 program to display these? I use macro pager \ef "|view-x-face.pl\n" Get the perl script at http://www.spinnaker.de/mutt/view-x-face -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature

Re: What about Plugins or Modules?

patches could be serviced by just a few hooks -- one which allows you to create new commands would be a big help, for instance. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature

Re: Command parsing within my_hdr

> Try wrapping it in another layer of quotes, like > > send-hook . "my_hdr Reply-To: '`/path/to/some-command`'" Yeah, that should work. I've been doing that for months and haven't had a problem: send-hook . 'my_hdr X-Last-Reboot: `uptime.pl`

Re: mutt's return value

very bad like zzz it will return an error > but $? will still be =0. "" is a valid email address -- mutt interprets that as zzz@localhost. Or perhaps @ the value of the "hostname" variable. Again, it's not until a delivery attempt is made that t