Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-02-01 Thread Bob O'Shaughnessy
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:48:05 -0600, Loren H. Burlingame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > decoding takes significantly less processor power than encoding. I > still think that the mini imac is overkill and you are wasting your > money if it is your intention to use it soley as a frontend. > While once

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-02-01 Thread Loren H. Burlingame
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:18:23 -0800, Scott Alfter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 12:16:34AM -0600, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > > I always thought the backend was supposed to be the one with the > > horsepower.I mean, I run a P2 500Mhz machine as a frontend right > > now wi

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-02-01 Thread Max Waterman
Ow Mun Heng wrote: I don't think it is a valid assumption that it will be 'faster' simply because it has a higher RPM. And why would that be? Unless of course, one can order all the writen bits onto the Hard Drive to be sequential and thus reduce seek times or latency, it will have an effect of

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-02-01 Thread Dave Marples
IIRC my (top of the range, at the time) powerbook came with a slower spinning hard drive than the lower models because it out performed them. The explaination was something to do with density... Density is the amount of bits which is forced into 1 sector/cylinder of the drive. The more bits there

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-02-01 Thread Ow Mun Heng
On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 18:30, Max Waterman wrote: > Jens Peter Vilstrup wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:35:38 -0600, John Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Here is a nice comparison with a complete micro-ATX system and the Mac > >>Mini in price. They are both pretty comparable. The PC c

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-02-01 Thread Greg Cope
> > He quotes the MiniMac drive as being 7200RPM, which I simply do not believe. What that the Mini Mac has a 7200rpm drive (I thought it had a 5400rpm). You can get 7200rpm 2.5" drives - I have one in my laptop - nice and fast they are too. Greg ___ m

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-02-01 Thread Max Waterman
Jens Peter Vilstrup wrote: On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:35:38 -0600, John Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here is a nice comparison with a complete micro-ATX system and the Mac Mini in price. They are both pretty comparable. The PC can even be made better by getting a cheaper 32 MB video card along w

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini - one unrelated informal benchmark...

2005-01-25 Thread Henk Poley
> > How is this related to using the Mini Mac as a frontend for MythTV? Don't know.. but this is: (Apple's "Service Source" document for Mac Mini) http://www.smashsworld.com/2005/01/mac-mini-complete-technical.php Henk Poley <>< ___ mythtv-users mail

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-23 Thread Scott Alfter
On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 12:16:34AM -0600, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > I always thought the backend was supposed to be the one with the > horsepower.I mean, I run a P2 500Mhz machine as a frontend right > now with no problemand you can pick those up for maybe $30. It's the other way around

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-22 Thread Jesse Perkins
A friend of mine just got a new iBook which is very compariable to the mini macs in performace. We found a compiled copy of mythtv for OSX and it worked ok. The playback of my recordings (from pvr250) was using all the cpu and was a little jerky. There was no mythvideo or mythmusic on this binar

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-22 Thread Schlomo Schapiro
Hi friends, I am also considering the mini mac, for the following reasons: - supposed to be quiet (is it true ?) - Mac OS X good platform with high WAF and sufficiently OSS compatible - should be good enough for watching DVDs, DivX and Myth - small and nice ( I use a HP e PC 42 now) Besides the

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-21 Thread Loren H. Burlingame
I am really astounded at the amount of people willing to drop $500 on a frontend device... You all must be rich as hell. I always thought the backend was supposed to be the one with the horsepower.I mean, I run a P2 500Mhz machine as a frontend right now with no problemand you can pic

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-21 Thread Matt Picker
--- Jens Peter Vilstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > I seriously doubt the MiniMac will give the PC any > kind of run for > it's money, exept in the "design", "useability", > "included software" > and "virus-susceptible" categories. ... To many non linux users those sort of catagories sound v

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-21 Thread Jens Peter Vilstrup
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:35:38 -0600, John Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here is a nice comparison with a complete micro-ATX system and the Mac > Mini in price. They are both pretty comparable. The PC can even be > made better by getting a cheaper 32 MB video card along with changing > a few

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-21 Thread John Thomas
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:42:29 -0500, Mark L. Cukier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > iTunes is free > > Jon Bauerle wrote: > > > Don't forget, though, that with the Mac you also get iPhoto, iTunes, > > iMovie, etc. :-) > > > > > > On Jan 21, 2005, at 3:06 PM, John Thomas wrote: > > > >> > >> No,

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-21 Thread Mark L. Cukier
iTunes is free Jon Bauerle wrote: Don't forget, though, that with the Mac you also get iPhoto, iTunes, iMovie, etc. :-) On Jan 21, 2005, at 3:06 PM, John Thomas wrote: No, you are correct. The Shuttle system is barebone. But the CPU, 40 GB drive and memory would be pretty comparable to the

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-21 Thread Andrew Close
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:28:38 -0600, Jon Bauerle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't forget, though, that with the Mac you also get iPhoto, iTunes, > iMovie, etc. :-) and OS X! 6 GMail Invites available Email me OFF-list only... ___

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-21 Thread Jon Bauerle
Don't forget, though, that with the Mac you also get iPhoto, iTunes, iMovie, etc. :-) On Jan 21, 2005, at 3:06 PM, John Thomas wrote: No, you are correct. The Shuttle system is barebone. But the CPU, 40 GB drive and memory would be pretty comparable to the Mac Mini in price. Plus you would al

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-21 Thread John Thomas
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:08:46 -0500, David Levine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:16:14 -0600, John Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > When I first read about the Mac mini, I was not convinced that it was > > something that I could use to benefit my MythTV system at home.

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-21 Thread Ian
When I first read about the Mac mini, I was not convinced that it was something that I could use to benefit my MythTV system at home. I've read the thread and it has been discussed that the Mini is not the most powerful system out there. True, it is a sexy looking device, but I can't find the ju

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-21 Thread David Levine
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:16:14 -0600, John Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When I first read about the Mac mini, I was not convinced that it was > something that I could use to benefit my MythTV system at home. I've > read the thread and it has been discussed that the Mini is not the > most p

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-21 Thread Craig Partin
I think the mini would make a nice kitchen machine. Hook it up to an LCD monitor and install myth. It could be a frontend for media use, so you could play along with cooking shows etc., but also be a regular desktop as well. I think the $500 would only be justified if it was a dual use machine.

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-21 Thread John Thomas
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:55:03 +1100, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 06:42:04PM -0500, Magnus Meinfretr wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:28:30 -0500, Mike Frisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > At 1.25GHz or 1.42GHz, my guess is that it does *not* have enoug

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 06:42:04PM -0500, Magnus Meinfretr wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:28:30 -0500, Mike Frisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > At 1.25GHz or 1.42GHz, my guess is that it does *not* have enough > > horsepower to decode HDTV. > > What you forget is this is a 1.25GHz PowerPC G4

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-12 Thread Jack Trout
I havent done any Break downs lately as I dont work with macs much anymore. but I used to run a video editing lab for a school and as far as video compression wise g4's outstripped p4's in most ways as processor speed isnt the only factor in a risc enviroment, but its quite easy to show that megahe

RE: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-12 Thread Steve Frank
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Frisch > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:23 AM > To: Discussion about mythtv > Subject: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini > > > On 11-Jan-05, at 5:37 PM, Marc Nicholas wrote: > > > I would

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-12 Thread James Armstrong
George Styles wrote: It would still make a great frontend. On Jan 11, 2005, at 10:59 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: I was just looking at the specs again. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the Mac Mini has any PCI slots. So where would you put the TV tuner card? Is there a USB/Firewire tune

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-12 Thread Mike Frisch
On 12-Jan-05, at 10:33 AM, Justin Kim wrote: At 6:42 PM -0500 1/11/05, Magnus Meinfretr wrote: What you forget is this is a 1.25GHz PowerPC G4. This is not a Pentium 4 or an Athlon. Don't fall into the mental trap of thinking the GHz ratings even compare. This is probably (conservatively) at leas

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-12 Thread George Styles
It would still make a great frontend. On Jan 11, 2005, at 10:59 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: I was just looking at the specs again. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the Mac Mini has any PCI slots. So where would you put the TV tuner card? Is there a USB/Firewire tuner? Still a great comp

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-12 Thread Curtis Stanford
It would still make a great frontend. On Jan 11, 2005, at 10:59 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: I was just looking at the specs again. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the Mac Mini has any PCI slots. So where would you put the TV tuner card? Is there a USB/Firewire tuner? Still a great c

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-12 Thread Justin Kim
At 6:42 PM -0500 1/11/05, Magnus Meinfretr wrote: >What you forget is this is a 1.25GHz PowerPC G4. This is not a >Pentium 4 or an Athlon. Don't fall into the mental trap of thinking >the GHz ratings even compare. > >This is probably (conservatively) at least as fast as a 2GHz Pentium 4 >for all

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-12 Thread Peter Dash
> > The DVI port should, just as with other Apple products, connect > directly to the DVI port on most modern HDTV monitors. And OS X > should properly detect the monitor and offer all of the available > resolutions. I've not yet run Linux on a new world Mac so I don't > know how well this would

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-12 Thread Marc Nicholas
It's physically too small for full PCI slots. There are a lot of USB tuners, and at least one Firewire unit. And then you also have direct digital connectivity from Firewire STBs etc. -marc On 1/12/05 12:59 AM, "Robert La Ferla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was just looking at the specs agai

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-11 Thread David Whyte
I think the whole buzz is because it would make a great frontend only machine. It is a beautiful size. And if it was a little cheaper, I would take the plunge. It seems such a waste though; buying such a *powerful* (not talking solely processing terms here) machine and using it purely for myth!

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-11 Thread Magnus Meinfretr
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:28:30 -0500, Mike Frisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 1.25GHz or 1.42GHz, my guess is that it does *not* have enough > horsepower to decode HDTV. What you forget is this is a 1.25GHz PowerPC G4. This is not a Pentium 4 or an Athlon. Don't fall into the mental trap of t

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-11 Thread Marc Nicholas
On 1/11/05 4:28 PM, "Mike Frisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If it has the horsepower to decode HDTV, this could be a very >> interesting little box indeed. > > At 1.25GHz or 1.42GHz, my guess is that it does *not* have enough > horsepower to decode HDTV. Apple are claiming that a 1GHz+/1Gby

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-11 Thread Marc Nicholas
On 1/11/05 3:29 PM, "Mike Frisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 02:20:26PM -0600, Adam Bodnar wrote: >> You actually will be able to hook it into a TV. >> >> Apple DVI to Video Adapter >> >> Plug Mac mini into the S-video or composite video port of your TV or >> stereo

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-11 Thread Phil Bridges
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 02:20:26PM -0600, Adam Bodnar wrote: >> You actually will be able to hook it into a TV. >> >> Apple DVI to Video Adapter >> >> Plug Mac mini into the S-video or composite video port of your TV or >> stereo receiver to view your slideshows and movies anywhere in the >> hous

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: New Mac Mini

2005-01-11 Thread Adam Bodnar
It has a ATI 9200 Radeon with 32mb of ram which is really what I think may not allow it to work well for MythTV. On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:29:52 -0500, Mike Frisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 02:20:26PM -0600, Adam Bodnar wrote: > > You actually will be able to hook it into a