Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, John Fraizer wrote: : As has been stated by others, UltraDNS, like the roots and other TLD hosts : is under nearly constant attack. Perhaps your local nodes were effected : by an attack. IE; the pipe was full but the service was still alive so the : anycast prefix wasn't

Re: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread John Neiberger
The hands-down winner, so far, is the Cisco CMS-formerly-known-as-Arrowpoint, which has an RJ45 console cable which WILL NOT WORK, full stop, with the RJ45 connectors on Cisco's own console servers. *wild applause* Ah, yes. I've run into that bad boy. It really stinks to come in to work in the

Re: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread up
Actually, as awkward as those rubber hoods are, what I like about them is that when you're pulling a disconnected patch cable through a rat's nest of wires, they prevent the plastic tab from being bent backward. On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, John Palmer wrote: Thats to prevent it from being

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread bmanning
Bill, I know you know better, so let's try more facts and less FUD. Mmmmkay? Your above paragraph is a red herring that is analogous to saying all multihomed services must be run on the router itself. yes, it does lean that way... but to expose a sigma-six blip in how some

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread E.B. Dreger
TV Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:22:19 -0400 (EDT) TV From: Todd Vierling TV Sucks to be anyone trying to use the service whose routers TV pick those nodes as the only ones available. That's the TV fault of the implementor, not the client. Yes. TV The major issue here is that no *gTLD*,

Re: anycast (Re: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, E.B. Dreger wrote: : EBD That's why one uses a daemon with main loop including : EBD something like: : EBD : EBD success = 0 ; : EBD for ( i = checklist ; i-callback != NULL ; i++ ) : EBD success = i-callback(foo) ; : EBD if ( success ) : EBD

Re: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread Gerald
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, as awkward as those rubber hoods are, what I like about them is that when you're pulling a disconnected patch cable through a rat's nest of wires, they prevent the plastic tab from being bent backward. Since you are the second person to

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread E.B. Dreger
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:36:37 -0700 (PDT) From: bmanning Bill, I know you know better, so let's try more facts and less FUD. Mmmmkay? Your above paragraph is a red herring that is analogous to saying all multihomed services must be run on the router itself. yes, it does

RE: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread Luke Starrett
Actually, as awkward as those rubber hoods are, what I like about them is that when you're pulling a disconnected patch cable through a rat's nest of wires, they prevent the plastic tab from being bent backward. True but there are also snagless connectors available where the release tab

Re: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread Nathan Eric Norman
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:39:51PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, as awkward as those rubber hoods are, what I like about them is that when you're pulling a disconnected patch cable through a rat's nest of wires, they prevent the plastic tab from being bent backward. Not a

Re: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread bdragon
Hello all, Was doing some upgrades on a UBR7246 (to a VXR), and I got to thinking about short sighted design considerations. I was curious if any of you had some pet peeves from a design perspective to rant about. I'll start with a couple. snip try cisco-nsp. Single vendor stuff is

Re: News of ISC Developing BIND Patch

2003-09-18 Thread bdragon
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAC addresses are not without authority delegation. The IEEE is the ultimate authority in said case. Any solution which requires uniqueness also requires a singular ultimate authority. Even MACs aren't entirely unique. Some places used

Re: News of ISC Developing BIND Patch

2003-09-18 Thread bdragon
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the goal were unique identification, MAC addresses would do just fine. No need for DNS. MAC addresses are not without authority delegation. The IEEE is the ultimate authority in said case. Yep... But have you seen any controversy

Re: Class A Data Center

2003-09-18 Thread Jay Hennigan
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:08:43 EDT, Bob German [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Can anyone point me to a set of standards that define a Class A Data Center? I'm not asking for requirements, but an actual pointer to standards hammered out by an

Re: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread Mr. James W. Laferriere
Hello All , On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Gerald wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, as awkward as those rubber hoods are, what I like about them is that when you're pulling a disconnected patch cable through a rat's nest of wires, they prevent the plastic tab

Re: News of ISC Developing BIND Patch

2003-09-18 Thread Mr. James W. Laferriere
Hello Whoever , On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAC addresses are not without authority delegation. The IEEE is the ultimate authority in said case. Any solution which requires uniqueness also requires a singular

Re: News of ISC Developing BIND Patch

2003-09-18 Thread John Kristoff
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:10:57 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: manufacturer assigned macs are guaranteed to be globally unique. Theoretically. I didn't experience it personally, but I believe there was at least one fairly well known event a few years back where a manufacturer shipped cards

Re: News of ISC Developing BIND Patch

2003-09-18 Thread Scott Granados
There was another manufacturer one of the really low budget cards, I forget the brand but they were shipped in a box which looked like a dunkin's munchkins box. If you bought several boxes of these, I think six in a box and the entire package was $30 you were likely to find more than 2 or 3

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, John Fraizer wrote: : Todd, you don't make the announcement for the anycast address from your : border.. You do it from within the anycast cluster as a CONDITIONAL : announcement. IE; you use a specially written BGP daemon that makes the : announcement when the service is

Re: News of ISC Developing BIND Patch

2003-09-18 Thread Dominic J. Eidson
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, John Kristoff wrote: Fortunately, this practice rarely occurs these days (token ring / SNA shops often did this) although I'd be curious if anyone still does it. box:~ # /sbin/lspci | grep 'Happy' 01:03.1 Ethernet controller: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Happy Meal

consider fewer posts, more substance please...

2003-09-18 Thread ren
To all parties who have posted to NANOG a dozen times or more in the past 24 hours... For a good time please check out: http://www.nanog.org/listfaq.html#topics * Think Before You Post * When you send mail to the NANOG list, it will be received by thousands of current and potential peers,

RE: Class A Data Center

2003-09-18 Thread andrew2
Particularly of interest would be established standards for Class A Datacenter specifically relating to the physical plant -- Power, cooling, physical security, etc. I think we can all agree in general on N+1 everything, and we can go round and round again on what exactly constitutes Tier-1

RE: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread Ejay Hire
Who needs a console port on a Bay? Site angler will save the day! ... Err, sorry, coming off of a power outage with nothing to do but drink coffee. -e -Original Message- From: Peter E. Fry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 11:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: News of ISC Developing BIND Patch

2003-09-18 Thread Richard Irving
Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote: Hello Whoever , On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: manufacturer assigned macs are guaranteed to be globally unique. A specific enterprise reconfiguring the mac is akin to an enterprise using RFC1918

Re: News of ISC Developing BIND Patch

2003-09-18 Thread Richard Irving
* sigh * s/there/their/ s/mps/mbs/ s/:)/:}/ 8-) Richard Irving wrote: Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote: Hello Whoever , On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: manufacturer assigned macs are guaranteed to be globally unique. A specific

Re: Class A Data Center

2003-09-18 Thread Jack Bates
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Particularly of interest would be established standards for Class A Datacenter specifically relating to the physical plant -- Power, cooling, physical security, etc. I think we can all agree in general on N+1 everything, and we can go round and round again on what exactly

Re: ICANN - Formal Complaint re Verisign

2003-09-18 Thread George William Herbert
Michael Dillon wrote: Complaining on this mailing list achieves very little but [...] It did one useful thing; it gave a wide number of operators across the ISP and infrastructure industries a chance to see what was happening and put in their two cents. My initial impression was that the

RE: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Luke Starrett wrote: True but there are also snagless connectors available where the release tab actually makes a V shape such as to not catch when you're pulling it through a cable raceway. They definitely do cost a few more $$ though. I believe the usual suspects...

RE: DNS anycast considered harmful (was: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread David Schwartz
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Leo Bicknell wrote: A truely robust anycast setup has two addresses (or networks, or whatever), but only one per site. From the momentary outage while BGP reconverges to the very real problem of the service being down and the route still being announced there are

RE: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Ejay Hire wrote: Who needs a console port on a Bay? Site angler will save the day! Get it right! Site Mangler! What fond memories... ... Err, sorry, coming off of a power outage with nothing to do but drink coffee. -e -Original Message- From: Peter E.

Re: News of ISC Developing BIND Patch

2003-09-18 Thread Crist Clark
Dominic J. Eidson wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, John Kristoff wrote: Fortunately, this practice rarely occurs these days (token ring / SNA shops often did this) although I'd be curious if anyone still does it. box:~ # /sbin/lspci | grep 'Happy' 01:03.1 Ethernet controller: Sun

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:22:19PM -0400, Todd Vierling wrote: Sucks to be anyone trying to use the service whose routers pick those nodes as the only ones available. That's the fault of the implementor, not the client. I have a sneaking suspicion that if UltraDNS's tld cluster that

Re: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Todd Vierling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Without a question: PS/2 style keyboard and mouse connectors. Impossible : to tell from each other, And this part is somewhat funny, too, because the PS/2 connector layout is

RE: Kill Verisign Routes :: A Dynamic BGP solution

2003-09-18 Thread David Schwartz
I wanted to discuss the merits of the following: I have written a proof of concept solution to nuke a route to sitefinder. Code to those who care or to the list if anyone cares. Perl is your friend :) Basic concept: Use Net::BGP to set up a peering session with my route server.

Re: Kill Verisign Routes :: A Dynamic BGP solution

2003-09-18 Thread Damian Gerow
Thus spake Stephen J. Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [18/09/03 18:54]: So totallymadeupdomain.com now resolves but is unreachable. That will prevent you from bouncing emails to non-existent domains immediately.. FWIW, the latest versions of postfix have code in them to block connects from

Re: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread Ben Browning
Was doing some upgrades on a UBR7246 (to a VXR), and I got to thinking about short sighted design considerations. I was curious if any of you had some pet peeves from a design perspective to rant about. I'll start with a couple. Here are a few of mine: The little clippy widgets (looks

Re: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread Matthew S. Hallacy
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 03:53:44PM -0700, Ben Browning wrote: Procurve switch management interface. Archaic, arcane, insane, unusable. I'm actually quite happy with the HP ProCurve switch interface, the web interface is the first thing to be disabled though. -- Matthew S. Hallacy

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Majdi S. Abbas wrote: : Sucks to be anyone trying to use the service whose routers pick those nodes : as the only ones available. That's the fault of the implementor, not the : client. : I think it's out of line to speculate on how UltraDNS has configured : these

Re: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread Scott Granados
Your all missing my most favorite bad design decision. And I know that in other areas this has been mentioned and made fun of enough but ... Who thought it was a good idea to put braille on the drive up atms? And having a contact in banking I do know that banks pay extra for this feature its

Re: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread bmanning
The US Congress. can you say ADA - sure you can - Fred Rodgers Who thought it was a good idea to put braille on the drive up atms? --bill (sorry ren, I couldn't resist)

Re: BIND 9 (Re: ISC Patches)

2003-09-18 Thread Doug Barton
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Todd Vierling wrote: (Although I noticed that NetBSD's pkgsrc version of bind9 doesn't install the HTML docs, which are now required in order to understand named.conf changes. I'll probably submit a change request for that.) FreeBSD's does. :) Doug (aka [EMAIL

Re: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread Paul Timmins
I'm still trying to find out the point of labeling the light switches in airplanes. I can see the point of doing it if the button is obvious to the touch, but on some planes they use membrane switches that aren't obvious to the touch. I know the ADA probably requires them to label light switches,

Re: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread JC Dill
At 04:24 PM 9/18/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US Congress. can you say ADA - sure you can - Fred Rodgers Who thought it was a good idea to put braille on the drive up atms? While I don't know if the person in question was blind or not, I *have* seen someone use a drive-up ATM from the

let the lawsuits begin

2003-09-18 Thread Alan Hannan
Let the lawsuits begin. KNOXVILLE, Tenn.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 18, 2003--Popular Enterprises LLC, the parent company of Netster.com, has filed a $100 million dollar lawsuit against VeriSign, Inc. The Complaint alleges antitrust violations, unfair competition and violations of the

Re: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Ben Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The little clippy widgets (looks kind of like @) on some oldschool racks, that hold the nut in place for the hex-head bolt. Why these were considered desirable is beyond me. We've got a bunch of racks like that (and my PDP8 rack at home

Re: Worst design decisions?

2003-09-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:14:39 PDT, Scott Granados said: Who thought it was a good idea to put braille on the drive up atms? My dad's legally blind. That braille makes it possible for him to get cash (either from the back seat or step out and walk up) if somebody's giving him a ride, without

RE: Kill Verisign Routes :: A Dynamic BGP solution

2003-09-18 Thread Eric Germann
-Original Message- From: David Schwartz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Kill Verisign Routes :: A Dynamic BGP solution Sensitivity: Confidential snip I think the whole idea of

RE: Kill Verisign Routes :: A Dynamic BGP solution

2003-09-18 Thread David Schwartz
I think the whole idea of getting into an escalating technical war with Verisign is extremely bad. Your suggestion only makes sense if you expect Verisign to make changes to evade technical solutions. Each such change by Verisign will cause more breakage. Verisign will either

Re: News of ISC Developing BIND Patch

2003-09-18 Thread Chris Boyd
On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 02:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: manufacturer assigned macs are guaranteed to be globally unique. A specific enterprise reconfiguring the mac is akin to an enterprise using RFC1918 space. I would say _supposed_ to be unique. Surely some cheapo

Interesting interaction between Blaster worm variants and Verisign DNS change

2003-09-18 Thread Jeremy_Powell
I think that an interesting interaction involving: 1) Blaster worm DDoS attack against windows update. 2) The default action of Windows 2000 and XP computers to automatically append the domain name under Network Identification or the suffix search list to DNS lookups. 3) The number of

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