Re: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-25 Thread Petr Swedock
Marshall Eubanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thought this would be considered on-topic as guess who would have to clean up the resulting messes... The courts. There is no possible way that this bill (as I read it) could, in any way, be conceived as even remotely constitutional. This is pure

Re: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-25 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:48:36 EDT, Petr Swedock said: The courts. There is no possible way that this bill (as I read it) could, in any way, be conceived as even remotely constitutional. This is pure vigilante: the entertainment The fact that a law is unconstitutional on the face of it has

Re: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-25 Thread Joseph T. Klein
I would argue that my home computer is the repository of my papers and effects. No place in the below law does it limit the restriction to the government only. Indeed any law passed giving sanction to any party having the right IMHO is in direct violation of both the spiret and the letter of the

RE: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-25 Thread Rowland, Alan D
- From: Joseph T. Klein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:16 PM To: Marshall Eubanks; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking I would argue that my home computer is the repository of my papers and effects. No place

RE: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-25 Thread Rowland, Alan D
: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:11:00 PDT, Rowland, Alan D [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: IANAL but IMHO spewing cracked copies of say, Photoshop, or other copyright violations might be considered probable cause with the specific place/things being

RE: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-25 Thread Randy Bush
I had significant input in my life regarding the difference between can and may. IMHO significant numbers of net citizens have forgotten that difference. therefore all of us need to give up our civil rights? the terrorists have won. randy

Re: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-25 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 02:37:15PM -0700, Rowland, Alan D wrote: I fully agree this is Not Good (TM), hence the BAD in my response. Having said that, satellite providers periodically 'kill' hacked access cards on equipment in the user's home with no legal ramifications. How would this be

Re: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-25 Thread Dan Hollis
On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: I can't imagine they would actually follow through with this though, all it takes is one incident where they cause financial harm to someone with an mp3 they misidentify and their highground is gone. Then again, I can't imagine congress being

Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-24 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Thought this would be considered on-topic as guess who would have to clean up the resulting messes... Regards Marshall Eubanks - Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes

Re: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-24 Thread James Thomason
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RE: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-24 Thread Derek Samford
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RE: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-24 Thread Larry Rosenman
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:10 PM To: Marshall Eubanks Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking Would malicious actions on the part of copyright holders violate the AUP of most networks? Or are service providers more willing

Re: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-24 Thread Adam Rothschild
On 2002-07-24-14:10:00, James Thomason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this legislation is passed, they certainly will earn Null0 on mine. Unless, of course, the RIAA, MPAA, and friends carry out their cracking through throw-away dial and DSL accounts, like they purportedly use now to troll for

Re: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-24 Thread Michael Smith
On 7/24/02 11:31 AM, Adam Rothschild [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2002-07-24-14:10:00, James Thomason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this legislation is passed, they certainly will earn Null0 on mine. Unless, of course, the RIAA, MPAA, and friends carry out their cracking through

RE: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-24 Thread blitz
network vs. receiving their traffic. Derek -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Thomason Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:10 PM To: Marshall Eubanks Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

Re: Draft of Rep. Berman's bill authorizes anti-P2P hacking

2002-07-24 Thread Ralph Doncaster
The BSA is even flexing it's muscles here in the GWN. http://www.istop.com/BSALetter.txt Although they seem to have lots of money for scanning services and lawyers, they expect ISPs to provide services (assisting them enforce their copyrights) for free. Ralph Doncaster principal, IStop.com