Results of ARIN/CAIDA IPv6 Penetration Survey

2008-04-11 Thread Member Services
ARIN thanks those community members who participated in the recent ARIN/CAIDA IPv6 Penetration Survey. kc claffy presented an analysis of the survey results earlier this week during ARIN XXI in Denver, Co. You will find the link to this presentation on ARIN's IPv6 wiki at: www.getipv

Re: IPv6 tunnel for ISP sought

2008-03-26 Thread Mike Leber
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Adam Armstrong wrote: > Joel Snyder wrote: > > We would like to get an IPv6 tunnel to begin limited testing of IPv6 > > for customers. Is there any IPv6-savvy ISP out there who will > > give/sell tunnels to other ISPs? > Are there any EU ISP

Re: IPv6 tunnel for ISP sought

2008-03-26 Thread Adam Armstrong
Joel Snyder wrote: We would like to get an IPv6 tunnel to begin limited testing of IPv6 for customers. Is there any IPv6-savvy ISP out there who will give/sell tunnels to other ISPs? Are there any EU ISPs doing IPv6 BGP peering/freebie transit-ish via tunnels? I'm trying to do some te

ARIN & CAIDA IPv6 Survey Is Now Closed

2008-03-24 Thread Member Services
ARIN wishes to thank the 300+ people who completed the IPv6 survey. CAIDA will analyze the results and present them on 7 April during the ARIN XXI Public Policy Meeting in Denver. The results will be posted on the ARIN website in the IPv6 Information Center and on the IPv6 wiki at

Re: IPv6 tunnel for ISP sought

2008-03-23 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 03:44:14PM -0400, Joel Snyder wrote: > We have a UUnet link and a secondary provider. The secondary provider > has no IPv6 facilities. UUnet (er, Verizon Business) has IPv6 clue, but > there is an impenetrable wall between the customer and the clue which

Re: IPv6 tunnel for ISP sought

2008-03-22 Thread Jeroen Massar
t, use this great invention called email to contact us, if you still have questions about things, that is why that page is there, clearly people are scared by it and don't dare to ask... As you might guess, our IPv6 traffic load is estimated to be between "zero" and "un

Re: IPv6 tunnel for ISP sought

2008-03-22 Thread Mike Leber
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Kevin Day wrote: > On Mar 22, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Joel Snyder wrote: > > > > We would like to get an IPv6 tunnel to begin limited testing of IPv6 > > for customers. Is there any IPv6-savvy ISP out there who will give/ > > sell tunnels to other IS

Re: IPv6 tunnel for ISP sought

2008-03-22 Thread Seth Mattinen
at's still happening. If your use is really small, we've given some free "tunnels as customers" to a few ISPs, but I don't know if the level of support I'm offering is really what you're looking for either. I can vouch that Sprint is still offering IPv6 with BGP o

Re: IPv6 tunnel for ISP sought

2008-03-22 Thread Kevin Day
On Mar 22, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Joel Snyder wrote: We would like to get an IPv6 tunnel to begin limited testing of IPv6 for customers. Is there any IPv6-savvy ISP out there who will give/ sell tunnels to other ISPs? Experimentation with SixXS.NET has proven to be problematic, so I&#

Re: IPv6 tunnel for ISP sought

2008-03-22 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Joel Snyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We would like to get an IPv6 tunnel to begin limited testing of IPv6 for > customers. Is there any IPv6-savvy ISP out there who will give/sell > tunnels to other ISPs? > > Experimentation with Si

IPv6 tunnel for ISP sought

2008-03-22 Thread Joel Snyder
Hello. I looked through the recent archives and didn't see this question addressed, so please excuse me if it has been beaten to death or is considered off-topic. We have a UUnet link and a secondary provider. The secondary provider has no IPv6 facilities. UUnet (er, Verizon Bus

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-18 Thread Randy Bush
> Still trying to understand deployment scenarios for nat-pt. enterprise > native-v6 + v4-nat (as outlined in Michael Sinatra's lightning talk) i am not unhappy with ms's preso except that enterprise keeps whining about 1918 conflicts > and Alain Durand's v4v6v4 seem more likely deployment can

Re: US Gvt ipv6 change, associated agencies

2008-03-18 Thread Kevin Oberman
> From: Jerry Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:06:24 -0400 > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Patrick/NANOG, see list of sites below to get information on IPV6 > transitions. When you go to www.cio.gov you can type in ipv6 in the > sear

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-18 Thread Larry J. Blunk
Randy Bush wrote: And the NAT-PT implementation at NANOG (naptd) did seem to work once some configuration issues were ironed out. Unfortunately, this was not resolved until the very end of the meeting. your made heroic efforts with the linux nat-pt, and finally got it. but do you think

Re: US Gvt ipv6 change, associated agencies

2008-03-18 Thread Andrew C Burnette
Darden, Patrick S. wrote: I'm looking for documentation on how the US Government IPv6 mandate affects associated agencies--e.g. healthcare providers, non-profits, or any company that depends on US Gvt. funding, record keeping, or financial reimbursement for services rendered (e.g

Re: US Gvt ipv6 change, associated agencies

2008-03-18 Thread Jerry Dixon
Patrick/NANOG, see list of sites below to get information on IPV6 transitions. When you go to www.cio.gov you can type in ipv6 in the search bar to get more information. When the USG migrates to IPv6 those agencies working with them will have to migrate or take one of the approaches

US Gvt ipv6 change, associated agencies

2008-03-18 Thread Darden, Patrick S.
I'm looking for documentation on how the US Government IPv6 mandate affects associated agencies--e.g. healthcare providers, non-profits, or any company that depends on US Gvt. funding, record keeping, or financial reimbursement for services rendered (e.g. via Medicare). Over the past 5

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-18 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Nathan Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Perhaps you could integrate your work with a project like pfsense? >> >> From what I've seen, that's the best "open source CPE" solution, and >> doesn't yet have real IPv6 support (but has just abo

RE: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-18 Thread michael.dillon
lly given this Soekris hardware away to several > ISPs here in New Zealand, sponsored by InternetNZ. One wonders if there is any organization in the USA that might sponsor similar giveaways to ISPs. Just how much importance does the Federal government attach to IPv6 transition? Has anyone ta

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-17 Thread Nathan Ward
with - that is, assuming they give their engineers time to even think about IPv6, let alone engineer for it. Key word: pragmatic. Perhaps you could integrate your work with a project like pfsense? From what I've seen, that's the best "open source CPE" solution, and doesn

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-17 Thread Randy Bush
> And the NAT-PT implementation at NANOG (naptd) did seem > to work once some configuration issues were ironed out. Unfortunately, > this was not resolved until the very end of the meeting. your made heroic efforts with the linux nat-pt, and finally got it. but do you think it will scale well?

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-17 Thread Larry J. Blunk
Randy Bush wrote: I believe whoever shows off a functional NAT-PT device at the next NANOG might get some praise. I heard it was a bit of a disaster. by the time the show got to apnic/apricot the week after nanog, we had the cisco implementation of nat-pt and totd working and it worked we

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-17 Thread Randy Bush
> I believe whoever shows off a functional NAT-PT device at the next NANOG > might get some praise. I heard it was a bit of a disaster. by the time the show got to apnic/apricot the week after nanog, we had the cisco implementation of nat-pt and totd working and it worked well. randy

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-17 Thread Adrian Chadd
rs "engineering a solution" that the various parts of "the > > business" agree with - that is, assuming they give their engineers time to > > even think about IPv6, let alone engineer for it. Key word: pragmatic. > > Perhaps you could integrate your work with a

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-17 Thread Andy Dills
Miredo packaged up in a nice-to-deal-with bundle, that means you can plug > it in today and make it work with 2 or 3 lines of config, instead of spending > the next 3 years "engineering a solution" that the various parts of "the > business" agree with - that is, assum

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-17 Thread Nathan Ward
and 6to4 relay should first understand the capacity issues before buying a little embedded box to stick in their network. The ARIN IPv6 wiki has this page <http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/First_Steps_for_ISPs> which not only gives you a number of options for setting up 6to4 and Teredo relays

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-17 Thread Gaurab Raj Upadhaya
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joe Abley wrote: | I'm sure for many small networks a Soekris box would do fine. For the | record, FreeBSD also runs on more capable hardware. Can attest to that. I have picked up Nathan's handywork and used it on other hardware. some work is neede

ARIN & CAIDA IPv6 Survey

2008-03-17 Thread Member Services
As a reminder to those of you that have not participated in the IPv6 survey. The American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN), in cooperation with the Cooperative Association for Internet Data Analysis (CAIDA), is conducting a survey to gather data regarding the current and future use of

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 17-Mar-2008, at 06:07, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you're providing content or network services on v6 and you don't have both a Teredo and 6to4 relay, you should - there are more v6 users on those two than there are on native v6[1]. Talk to me and I'll give you a pr

RE: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-17 Thread michael.dillon
sues before buying a little embedded box to stick in their network. The ARIN IPv6 wiki has this page <http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/First_Steps_for_ISPs> which not only gives you a number of options for setting up 6to4 and Teredo relays, it also points you to documents which des

RE: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-15 Thread John Lee
My understanding of the mandate is that they (the Department and Agencies) demonstrate passing IPv6 traffic on their backbone from one system out to their backbone and back to another system. A number of agencies, if I remember the number of about 30 have IPv6 allocations. IRS has

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-15 Thread Nathan Ward
On 15/03/2008, at 7:19 PM, Glen Kent wrote: I have another related question: Do all ISPs atleast support tunneling the IPv6 pkts to some end point? For example, is there a way for an IPv6 enthusiast to send his IPv6 packet from his laptop to a remote IPv6 server in the current circumstances if

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-14 Thread Brian Wallingford
No, and no. Shouldn't be a surprise. ("all" is the dealbreaker, certain agencies are on the ball, but most are barely experimenting). On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Glen Kent wrote: : :Hi, : :I was just reading :http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/egov/b-1-information.html#IPV6, released :so

Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-14 Thread Glen Kent
Hi, I was just reading http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/egov/b-1-information.html#IPV6, released some time back in 2005, and it seems that the US Govt. had set the target date of 30th June 2008 for all federal govt agencies to move their network backbones to IPv6. This deadline is almost here. Are

RE: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-14 Thread michael.dillon
> > Linksys RVS4000 for $119.99 > > Linksys WRVS4400 for $209.99 > Looked at the manual, the only thing I could find regarding > IPv6 connectivity was an option You need the January 11 2008 firmware (or newer) to do IPv6. 6to4 works fine but there is a bug with NAT-PT at pres

RE: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-14 Thread michael.dillon
> I'm told by some folks who run core networks for a living > that while the routers may sling IPv6 packets as fast or > faster than IPv4, doing > so with ACLs, filter lists, statistics, monitoring, etc., is > lacking. > What's worse, the vendors aren't

Recall: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-14 Thread michael.dillon
Dillon,M,Michael,DMK R would like to recall the message, "cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]".

RE: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-14 Thread michael.dillon
ck vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 > on SOHO routers?] > > > Jamie, > > On Mar 13, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Jamie Bowden wrote: > > MS, Apple, Linux, *BSD are ALL dual stack out of the box currently. > > The fact that the kernel may support IPv6 does not mean that > IPv

RE: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-13 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
Joel: Besides the CM and CMTS itself, can the CPE attached to the CM use IPv6 if the CMTS has the right code to handle IPv6-based DHCP relay? To be clear, even if the CMTS doesn't have DOCSIS 3.0 support? Standing from a distance, I don't see why IPv6 on the routing piece of the C

Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread Kevin Oberman
> From: David Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:48:43 -0700 > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Jamie, > > On Mar 13, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Jamie Bowden wrote: > > MS, Apple, Linux, *BSD are ALL dual stack out of the box currently. > >

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-13 Thread Bernhard Schmidt
David Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FWIW, I had reason to go over to a local Fry's (www.frys.com) and they > had 2 SOHO routers that claimed to have IPv6 support: > > Linksys RVS4000 for $119.99 > Linksys WRVS4400 for $209.99 > > No idea how well the

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-13 Thread David Conrad
FWIW, I had reason to go over to a local Fry's (www.frys.com) and they had 2 SOHO routers that claimed to have IPv6 support: Linksys RVS4000 for $119.99 Linksys WRVS4400 for $209.99 No idea how well they support IPv6... Regards, -drc

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-13 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
I have an 877m (no wireless): Vlan1 has an ipv6 address and and ipv6 nd prefix. All the devices plugged into the ethernet ports find out about IPv6 just peachy. "c870-advipservicesk9-mz.124-15.T1.bin" (Caveat: I'm running native dual stack over PPPoE because I can make th

RE: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-13 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
> -Original Message- > From: Petri Helenius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:49 PM > To: Michael K. Smith - Adhost > Cc: Mohacsi Janos; Matthew Moyle-Croft; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > nanog@merit.edu > Subject: Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-13 Thread Petri Helenius
Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: It's not that bad. You can attach a v6 address to the 802.11 interface and the FastEthernet interface, but you can't put one on a BVI which means you need two /64's if you want v6 on wireless and wired. That workaround does not work on the models with the

RE: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-13 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
> > > The IPv6 "support" on 87x Cisco is nothing to write home about. It's > not supported on most physical interfaces that exist on the devices. > But > it does work over tunnel interfaces if you have something on your lan > to > tunnel to. > >

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-13 Thread Petri Helenius
Mohacsi Janos wrote: On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: Actually Cisco 850 series does not support IPv6, only 870 series. We tested earlier cisco models also: 830 series has ipv6 support. My colleague tested NetScreen routers: apart for the smallest devices they have

Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, David Conrad wrote: There are already things like http://ipv6.google.com/, True, since yesterday. However, while I applaud their efforts, Google is still primarily a search engine. How much of the content Google serves up is accessible via IPv6? I might suggest

Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread David Conrad
There are already things like http://ipv6.google.com/, True, since yesterday. However, while I applaud their efforts, Google is still primarily a search engine. How much of the content Google serves up is accessible via IPv6? I might suggest reviewing http://bgp.he.net/ipv6-progress

Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread David Conrad
Randy, actally, drc, here is where you and i diverge. there will never be demand for ipv6 from the end user. they just want their mtv, and do not care if it comes on ipv4, ipv6, or donkey-back. I agree. What I meant was that customers will demand content and since that content is

Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread Andrew Burnette
Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2008-03-13, David Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What is _really_ missing is content accessible over IPv6 as it results in the chicken-or-egg problem: without content, few customers will r

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-13 Thread Andrew Burnette
#x27; v6 window dressing to be compliant with US gov't contracts and so on which will match up with the OMB [unfunded] mandate to be IPv6 compatible by this june. As for the SOHO, not sure if anything other the next chip revision and firmware are needed. Besides, will they be NAT boxen wit

Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008-03-13, David Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is > _really_ missing is content accessible over IPv6 as it results in the > chicken-or-egg problem: without content, few customers will request >

Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread Randy Bush
>> and a large chunk of Asia and Europe are running IPv6 right now. > I keep hearing this, but could you indicate what parts of Asia and > Europe are running IPv6 right now? I'm aware, for example, that NTT is > using IPv6 for their FLETS service, but that is an internal tra

Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread John Curran
At 9:48 AM -0700 3/13/08, David Conrad wrote: > What is _really_ missing is content accessible over IPv6 as it results in > the chicken-or-egg problem: without content, few customers will request IPv6. > Without customer requests for IPv6, it's hard to make the business case to

Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread David Conrad
Jamie, On Mar 13, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Jamie Bowden wrote: MS, Apple, Linux, *BSD are ALL dual stack out of the box currently. The fact that the kernel may support IPv6 does not mean that IPv6 is actually usable (as events at NANOG, APRICOT, and the IETF have shown). There are lots of bits

Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread David Barak
--- On Thu, 3/13/08, Leo Bicknell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now think hard about a prediction we'll still be > running IPv4 in 20 > years. A two decade transition period just does not fit > this industry's > history. To be fair, I've encourntered an awful lot of SNA which is still out there,

RE: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread michael.dillon
;recurring' part is the real killer. This is why any ISP that has not moved their core network over to MPLS, really needs to take a serious look at doing so now. If you do this then you only really need to support IPv6 on your edge routers (MPLS PE) which are used to connect IPv6 customers.

RE: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread Jamie Bowden
MS, Apple, Linux, *BSD are ALL dual stack out of the box currently. The core is IPv6/dual stack capable, even if it's not enabled everywhere, and a large chunk of Asia and Europe are running IPv6 right now. The US Govt. is under mandate to transition to v6 by the end of the year. The

Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 05:18:16PM +0200, Pekka Savola wrote: > Who has the other transition mechanisms in place? What is the cost of > deploying those transition mechanisms? At present it's not obvious > how you can explain to the bean counters that deploying these are >

Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Leo Bicknell wrote: 1) Early adopters deploy IPv6 while continuing to make most of their money off IPv4. We're already well into this state. 2) Substantially all (> 90%?) of the Internet is dual stacked, or has other transition mechanisms in place. Who has t

Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread Leo Bicknell
why you think the cost of running dual stack is > higher than the cost of spending time&money on beind on the bleeding > edge to do v6-only yet supporting v4 for your existing and future > customers still wedded to the older IP protocol? You are mixing stages of adoption. The Internet w

Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, David W. Hankins wrote: I don't know why Leo thinks so, but even I can observe the "extra recurring support cost of having to work through two stacks with every customer that dials in" as being far greater than any technology costs in either single-stack scenario. The 'recu

Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread David W. Hankins
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 03:26:48PM +0200, Pekka Savola wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Leo Bicknell wrote: > >ISP's are very good at one thing, driving out unnecessary cost. > >Running dual stack increases cost. While I'm not sure about the 5 > >year part, I'm sure ISP's will move to disable IPv4 su

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-13 Thread Mark Prior
Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: The only ADSL one listed "Billion 7402R2" doesn't _actually_ do IPv6 yet, but it might if they release software for it! Which would be nice as we sell them to customers and would love to magically turn on IPv6 to them one day. Hi MMC, Yo

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-13 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Mark Newton wrote: Those of us who use ADSL or (heaven forbid) Cable are kinda out of luck. I haven't yet found ADSL2+ CPE that does IPv6 over PPPoE or PPPoA out of the box. Any cablelebs certified docsis 3.0 CM or CMTS supports ipv6. Your cable provider will have to upgrade their

cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]

2008-03-13 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Leo Bicknell wrote: In a message written on Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 03:06:24PM -0500, Frank Bulk - iNAME wrote: Furthermore, he stated that networking equipment companies like Cisco will be moving away from IPv4 in 5 years or so. This is the first time I've heard this posite

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-13 Thread Mohacsi Janos
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: The only ADSL one listed "Billion 7402R2" doesn't _actually_ do IPv6 yet, but it might if they release software for it! Which would be nice as we sell them to customers and would love to magically turn on IPv6 to them one

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
nd am running dual stack natively at home. But I'm not a typical customer. But really, we need to start seeing some CPE, even in beta form, so we can start working through how a transition to IPv6 might work. (eg. customer local networks, SIP for VOIP, stateful firewalls (given the ant

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: A friend of mine who works for a company that owns another company that sells consumer CPE said "Well, this is a volume business. Why release a feature that isn't being demanded much yet, when we could do it later and sell you ANOTHER CPE to rep

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
The only ADSL one listed "Billion 7402R2" doesn't _actually_ do IPv6 yet, but it might if they release software for it! Which would be nice as we sell them to customers and would love to magically turn on IPv6 to them one day. The only IPv6 ADSL router I'm aware o

RE: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk - iNAME Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:06 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: IPv6 on SOHO routers? Slightly off-topic, but tangentially related that I'll dare to ask. I'm attending an "Emerging Communi

RE: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
Looks like there's some kind of wiki here, too: http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/Broadband_CPE Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk - iNAME Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:06 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: IPv6 on

RE: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
I must be blind, but I don't recognize any brands there that support IPv6 (besides the Apple Airport). I see the Linksys WRT54G, but I don't know where they find the validation for IPv6 support, unless they mean DD-WRT. Based on all the responses I received on and off list, it appear

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Mark Newton
ere are SOHO routers that natively support IPv6, pointing to Asia specifically. Well, of *course* you're more likely to find such SOHO routers in markets where a SOHO router owner might actually be able to use the feature. But in most parts of the US, IPv6 support in a SOHO router is ri

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:06:24 CDT, Frank Bulk - iNAME said: > Slightly off-topic, but tangentially related that I'll dare to ask. > > I'm attending an "Emerging Communications" course where the instructor > stated that there are SOHO routers that natively

RE: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
price of those features. Then offset that with the decrease in silicon size when you add both together with smaller size lines and transistors on the chips, I would project SOHO prices of 250 - 350 $ US to start with for v4 & v6 and dropping from there. OpenWRT which actually supports

RE: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread John Lee
3/12/2008 4:06 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: IPv6 on SOHO routers? Slightly off-topic, but tangentially related that I'll dare to ask. I'm attending an "Emerging Communications" course where the instructor stated that there are SOHO routers that natively support IPv6, point

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread GIULIANO (UOL)
Frank, Juniper Networks Does support IPv6 in J-Series Routers and SSG Firewalls: http://www.juniper.net/products_and_services/j_series_services_routers/ http://www.juniper.net/products_and_services/ex_series/index.html http://www.juniper.net/products_and_services/firewall_slash_ipsec_vpn

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
ated that there are SOHO routers that natively support IPv6, pointing to > Asia specifically. >

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Yes, there are many. Take a look at www.ipv6-to-standard.org Regards, Jordi > De: Frank Bulk - iNAME <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Responder a: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Fecha: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:06:24 -0500 > Para: > Asunto: IPv6 on SOHO routers? > > > Slightly

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread David Conrad
On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Frank Bulk - iNAME wrote: Slightly off-topic, but tangentially related that I'll dare to ask. I'm attending an "Emerging Communications" course where the instructor stated that there are SOHO routers that natively support IPv6, <http://s

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 03:06:24PM -0500, Frank Bulk - iNAME wrote: > Furthermore, he stated that networking equipment companies like Cisco will > be moving away from IPv4 in 5 years or so. This is the first time I've > heard this posited -- I had a hard believing that, but h

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 12-Mar-2008, at 16:06, Frank Bulk - iNAME wrote: Slightly off-topic, but tangentially related that I'll dare to ask. I'm attending an "Emerging Communications" course where the instructor stated that there are SOHO routers that natively support IPv6, pointing to As

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Frank Bulk - iNAME wrote: Slightly off-topic, but tangentially related that I'll dare to ask. I'm attending an "Emerging Communications" course where the instructor stated that there are SOHO routers that natively support IPv6, pointing to Asia specifically. Do Linksys,

IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
Slightly off-topic, but tangentially related that I'll dare to ask. I'm attending an "Emerging Communications" course where the instructor stated that there are SOHO routers that natively support IPv6, pointing to Asia specifically. Do Linksys, D-Link, Netgear, etc. have s

ARIN & CAIDA IPv6 Survey

2008-03-10 Thread Member Services
The American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN), in cooperation with the Cooperative Association for Internet Data Analysis (CAIDA), is conducting a survey to gather data regarding the current and future use of IPv6 throughout the ARIN Region. For a complete list of countries go to: http

F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET IPv6 address has changed.

2008-02-04 Thread Mark Andrews
With the official deployment of IPv6 addresses for the root servers, F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET IPv6 address changed. The old address, 2001:500::1035, is no longer valid and will be turn off at some point. The new address is 2001:500:2f::f. This will

Re: Aggregation for IPv4-compatible IPv6 address space

2008-02-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 4-Feb-2008, at 00:19, Scott Morris wrote: You mean do you have to express it in hex? There are two related things here: (a) the ability to represent a 32- bit word in an IPv6 address in the form of a dotted-quad, and (b) the legitimacy of an IPv6 address of the form ::A.B.C.D, where

RE: Aggregation for IPv4-compatible IPv6 address space

2008-02-03 Thread Scott Morris
snort bsd Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:10 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Aggregation for IPv4-compatible IPv6 address space Hi all: With IPv4-compatible IPv6 address space, could I aggregate the address space? say 192.168.0.0/16 become ::192.168/112? or It must be converted to native IP

Re: Aggregation for IPv4-compatible IPv6 address space

2008-02-03 Thread Fred Baker
in the most recent architecture, rfc 4291, that was deprecated. The exact statement is 2.5.5.1. IPv4-Compatible IPv6 Address The "IPv4-Compatible IPv6 address" was defined to assist in the IPv6 transition. The format of the "IPv4-Compatible IPv6 address&qu

Aggregation for IPv4-compatible IPv6 address space

2008-02-03 Thread snort bsd
Hi all: With IPv4-compatible IPv6 address space, could I aggregate the address space? say 192.168.0.0/16 become ::192.168/112? or It must be converted to native IPv6 address space? Just wondering, Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au

Re: IPv6 Connectivity Saga (part n+1)

2008-02-02 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Feb 2, 2008 6:24 PM, Thomas Kühne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Another factor is that with IPv4, you need to be pragmatic, because if > > you don't, you have no connectivity. With IPv6, you can impose > > arbitrary restrictions as much as you want, because

Re: IPv6 Connectivity Saga (part n+1)

2008-02-02 Thread Michael Sinatra
a list of the resources that have some form of IPv6 brokenness, so that those of us who would actually like to provide our information resources over both IPv4 and IPv6 can get to work on fixing it. I personally am concerned that there are some islands of poor v6 connectivity out there t

Re: IPv6 Connectivity Saga (part n+1)

2008-02-02 Thread Thomas Kühne
ctory of the Web. It is constructed and maintained by a vast, global # community of volunteer editors. A DMOZ dump is the complete data set including directory structure, links and descriptions. I've use this source because other lists are either too small or contain a lot of spam. > >

Re: IPv6 Connectivity Saga (part n+1)

2008-02-02 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 2 feb 2008, at 11:42, Thomas Kühne wrote: I took a DMOZ[1] dump What's a DMOZ dump? 33.4% of all services that advertised IPv6 failed to deliver or in other words the IPv6 failure rate is ten times the NS failure rate. "failing to deliver" is not necessarily a failure c

IPv6 Connectivity Saga (part n+1)

2008-02-02 Thread Thomas Kühne
I took a DMOZ[1] dump, extracted all unique domain-name port combinations and checked their IPv6 connectivity. 3 388 012 : 100.000% : total 3 260 296 : 96.230% : IPv4 only 122 560 : 3.620% : bad NS 3 372 : 0.100% : IPv6 working 1 694 : 0.050% : broken or "fake" IPv

Re: IPv6 questions

2008-01-29 Thread snort bsd
r specific implementation. Thanks all - Original Message From: Scott Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Erik Nordmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; snort bsd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: nanog@merit.edu; juniper-nsp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 29 January, 2008 12:36:55 PM Subject: RE: I

RE: IPv6 questions

2008-01-29 Thread Scott Morris
ge- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Nordmark Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:44 PM To: snort bsd Cc: nanog@merit.edu; juniper-nsp Subject: Re: IPv6 questions snort bsd wrote: > Never mind > > it is the VLAN number. But which RFC define this? I've

Re: IPv6 questions

2008-01-29 Thread Erik Nordmark
snort bsd wrote: Never mind it is the VLAN number. But which RFC define this? I've never seen an IPv6 RFC specify to put the VLAN number in the link-local address. Thus this must be an (odd) choice made by some implementation. Perhaps the implementation somehow requires that all the

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