Re: Question about SLAs

2007-02-11 Thread Todd Vierling
On 2/9/07, Steve Rubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that mean you can take them to small claims court if they don't pay you the agreed SLA credits? Most contracts [in the U.S. today with largish to large corporations] have an arbitration clause ...though they shouldn't. Arbitration

RE: Question about SLAs

2007-02-09 Thread michael.dillon
An SLA is a contract. A contract is... a contract. Does that mean you can take them to small claims court if they don't pay you the agreed SLA credits? --Michael Dillon

RE: Question about SLAs

2007-02-09 Thread Fox,Thomas
I have a couple of suggestions: 1. Document, document, document. We use our internal ticketing system to document carrier issues, and actually have a customer created for each of our circuits, so that the history is readily available on a circuit-by-circuit basis. 2. Call trouble tickets in

RE: Question about SLAs

2007-02-09 Thread Fox,Thomas
Absolutely, so long as the amount in controversy doesn't exceed the small claims limit in your jurisdiction. If it does, off to regular court. An SLA is a contract. A contract is... a contract. Does that mean you can take them to small claims court if they don't pay you the agreed

RE: Question about SLAs

2007-02-09 Thread michael.dillon
Absolutely, so long as the amount in controversy doesn't exceed the small claims limit in your jurisdiction. If it does, off to regular court. And the nice thing about small claims court, if you meet the maximum limit of course, is that large companies often are lazy about dealing with the

RE: Question about SLAs

2007-02-09 Thread Fox,Thomas
The other nice thing about small claims is that the judgment is just as real and enforceable as those from the big boy courts. About 10 or so years ago, we got into a dispute with a carrier where we co-lo'd some equipment. Went to small claims court, got a judgment of a few thousand dollars,

Re: Question about SLAs

2007-02-09 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 08:32:10AM -0500, Fox,Thomas wrote: ... 3. Pay all of your bill except for the disputed portion. ... ... Along with all that good advice, this particular one may bite you back. Consult legal experts in the field. -- Joe Yao

Re: Question about SLAs

2007-02-09 Thread Steve Rubin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that mean you can take them to small claims court if they don't pay you the agreed SLA credits? --Michael Dillon Most contracts have an arbitration clause and in my experience small claims courts judges get confused by anything high-tech and will use the

RE: Question about SLAs

2007-02-09 Thread Barry Shein
On February 9, 2007 at 09:41 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: An SLA is a contract. A contract is... a contract. Does that mean you can take them to small claims court if they don't pay you the agreed SLA credits? Oh I'm certain you could if you wanted to be

Re: Question about SLAs

2007-02-09 Thread Deepak Jain
Steve Rubin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that mean you can take them to small claims court if they don't pay you the agreed SLA credits? --Michael Dillon Most contracts have an arbitration clause and in my experience small claims courts judges get confused by anything high-tech

RE: Question about SLAs

2007-02-09 Thread Barry Shein
On February 9, 2007 at 08:32 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fox,Thomas) wrote: All good stuff (you can find the note) but I'd like to point out: 3. Pay all of your bill except for the disputed portion. Include with every payment a SLA CREDIT REQUEST form that you complete, detailing the reasons why

RE: Question about SLAs

2007-02-08 Thread Chad Skidmore
Find a new vendor is certainly one solution. Regards, chad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Barry Shein Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 3:00 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Question about SLAs Other than give them the bum's rush! what do you do when a vendor is a

Re: Question about SLAs

2007-02-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:09:34 PST, Chad Skidmore said: Find a new vendor is certainly one solution. Your current vendor probably knows how much it would cost for you to move to another vendor (quite possibly to more significant digits than *you* know). They also know exactly how much they're

RE: Question about SLAs

2007-02-08 Thread Chad Skidmore
into a game of chicken at times. If you honestly feel your position is solid, don't blink. Good luck, Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:29 PM To: Chad Skidmore Cc: Barry Shein; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Question

RE: Question about SLAs

2007-02-08 Thread Fergie
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:29 PM To: Chad Skidmore Cc: Barry Shein; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Question about SLAs On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:09:34 PST, Chad Skidmore said: Find a new vendor is certainly one solution. Your