I didn't see this on NANOG yet, but it's caused a stir on the RIPE list.
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Dear Colleagues,
As you may be aware, the International Telecommunication Union's (ITU)
Telecommunication Standardization Bureau (TSB) has convened an ITU
IPv6 Group, the first meeting of which
Interesting, why is it causing quite a stir? Is it because they are trying to
allocate a large
pool of addresses?
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:03:01 +0100
From: awa...@tuenti.com
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: [Fwd: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Position On The
ITU IPv6
On Feb 26, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Brandon Kim wrote:
Interesting, why is it causing quite a stir? Is it because they are trying to
allocate a large
pool of addresses?
For those of you that are unaware, it is possible to contact the State
Department to get involved with ITU activities and be
On Feb 26, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Jared Mauch wrote:
On Feb 26, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Brandon Kim wrote:
Interesting, why is it causing quite a stir? Is it because they are
trying to allocate a large
pool of addresses?
For those of you that are unaware, it is possible to contact the
State
Subject: RE: [Fwd: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Position On The
ITU?IPv6 Group] Date: Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 08:47:57AM -0500 Quoting Brandon Kim
(brandon@brandontek.com):
Interesting, why is it causing quite a stir? Is it because they are trying to
allocate a large
pool
Interesting, why is it causing quite a stir? Is it because they are trying to
allocate a large
pool of addresses?
ITU is trying to stay relevant and justify its existence, over the
years they have been loosing their grip over telecom and networking
standards.
This last move to grab a chunk
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On Feb 26, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
On Feb 26, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Jared Mauch wrote:
On Feb 26, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Brandon Kim wrote:
Interesting, why is it causing quite a stir? Is it because they are trying
to allocate a large
pool of addresses?
For those of you
On 2010-02-26 00:41, Graham Beneke wrote:
On 26/02/2010 04:08, Randy Bush wrote:
Internet connectivity here in 'deepest darkest Africa' is actually quite
advanced ;-)
and the most expensive you can imagine. welcome to a telkom monopoly.
The monopoly is over!
how many carriers with
For those of you that are unaware, it is possible to contact the State
Department to get involved with ITU activities and be added to their mailing
lists to discuss these positions.
In addition, if you work for a largish company, they probably have a
regulatory department which may already
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 09:40 -0600, Jorge Amodio wrote:
I guess nobody needs ITU-T anymore, or do we ?
ZCZC
well, from vague memory, H.264, G711/729, H323, X.509 were/are ITU-T
standards - maybe X.25 too though I could have that one wrong.
I'll just sit on the fence: as an old radiocomms guy,
On Feb 26, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Tom Vest wrote:
On Feb 26, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
On Feb 26, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Jared Mauch wrote:
On Feb 26, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Brandon Kim wrote:
Interesting, why is it causing quite a stir? Is it because they
are trying to allocate a
Colleagues thought it would be useful to send this to few lists who have
interest in doing / extending their business in Middle East.
Looking forward to see you all in Riyadh!
Mehmet Akcin / MENOG Programme Committee
Middle East Network Operators Group (MENOG)
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia 10 - 14
From: gordon b slater gordsla...@ieee.org
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:52:21 +
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 09:40 -0600, Jorge Amodio wrote:
I guess nobody needs ITU-T anymore, or do we ?
ZCZC
well, from vague memory, H.264, G711/729, H323, X.509 were/are ITU-T
standards - maybe X.25 too
On 26/02/2010 18:43, Randy Bush wrote:
On 2010-02-26 00:41, Graham Beneke wrote:
On 26/02/2010 04:08, Randy Bush wrote:
Internet connectivity here in 'deepest darkest Africa' is actually
quite
advanced ;-)
and the most expensive you can imagine. welcome to a telkom monopoly.
The monopoly
Shon Elliott s...@unwiredbb.com writes:
Feb 25 19:08:18 postfix/smtpd[12682]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
outmail011.snc1.tfbnw.net[69.63.178.170]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable;
host [69.63.178.170] blocked using bl.spamcop.net; Blocked - see
http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?69.63.178.170;
I can think of six operators lighting their own fiber to the borders
and the landing stations of the various cable systems. Additional to
that - I know of dozens of operators running their own international
L2 circuits and lighting their own metro and national fiber.
no intl L1?
Why is it
On 2/26/10 9:56 AM, Bob Poortinga wrote:
Shon Elliott s...@unwiredbb.com writes:
Feb 25 19:08:18 postfix/smtpd[12682]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
outmail011.snc1.tfbnw.net[69.63.178.170]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable;
host [69.63.178.170] blocked using bl.spamcop.net; Blocked - see
Received this message today. They haven't updated the
http://www.comcast6.net/ site yet.
Mike
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Dear Comcast Customer,
Thank you for volunteering to participate in Comcast's IPv6 trials! I wanted
to provide you with a quick
Why is it so hard for you to believe that things are changing for the
better?
http://www.hellkom.co.za/
http://www.ispa.org.za/
http://www.ispa.org.za/press-release/ispa-calls-on-icasa-to-make-a-firm-commitment-to-llu
randy
On 2/26/10 11:20 AM, Wade Peacock wrote:
I found a while ago in /var/log/secure that for an invalid ssh login
attempt the ssh Bye Bye line is in the future. I have searched the web
and can not find a reason for the future time in the log.
Here is a sample. Repeated lines are shown once in first
Wow that's great, hopefully Cablevision will do the same with their optimum
online!!!
From: mich...@thegrebs.com
Subject: Fwd: Comcast IPv6 Trials Update
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:15:45 -0500
To: nanog@nanog.org
Received this message today. They haven't updated the
On 2/26/2010 12:29 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote:
On 2/26/10 11:20 AM, Wade Peacock wrote:
I found a while ago in /var/log/secure that for an invalid ssh login
attempt the ssh Bye Bye line is in the future. I have searched the web
and can not find a reason for the future time in the log.
Here is a
On Feb 26, 2010, at 10:22 AM, gordon b slater wrote:
I must admit to total confusion over why they need to grab IPs from
the v6 address space? Surely they don't need the equivalent of
band-plans for IP space? Or have I missed some v6 technical point
totally?
The ITU Secretariat and a few
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
Why is it so hard for you to believe that things are changing for the
better?
http://www.hellkom.co.za/
http://www.ispa.org.za/
http://www.ispa.org.za/press-release/ispa-calls-on-icasa-to-make-a-firm-commitment-to-llu
I happend upon this ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=193184 )
which seems to suggest/explain the occurrence. I know it was mentioned to be
in the CentOS distro, but I think this might have been adopted into that
distro as well since I see the same issues on a RedHat Distro. Not sure
well, from vague memory, H.264, G711/729, H323, X.509 were/are ITU-T
standards - maybe X.25 too though I could have that one wrong.
Some of the encoding stds are not that bad. The X series and colored
books are from the CCITT era, that BTW given that they were
Recommendations many phone
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 11:29 -0700, Brielle Bruns wrote:
Isn't the timestamps inserted by syslog rather then the reporting
program itself?
that's my understanding also (clarification: syslogs of your server have
timestamps of your syslegsserver's time, IMHO)
eg: on my Debain systems I don't
It is classic syslogd
syslogd -v
syslogd 1.4.1
I was thinking timezone but we are PST (-8:00) so I can not explain the
+12:00 difference.
Isn't the timestamps inserted by syslog rather then the reporting
program itself?
What syslog do you use - classic (ie: sysklogd) or a modern one like
the proftpd line happened to be the next line in the log. the
next simular ssh lines looks like (duplicate removed)
Feb 26 10:08:48 mx sshd[22165]: Did not receive identification string from
UNKNOWN
Feb 26 10:09:27 mx sshd[22261]: Failed password for root from 219.137.192.231
port 54111 ssh2
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On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 11:29 -0700, Brielle Bruns wrote:
Isn't the timestamps inserted by syslog rather then the reporting
program itself?
The syslog message sent to the local unix socket (/dev/log
or /dev/syslog) may contain a timestamp, in which case, that timestamp
may be used instead of the
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 10:55 -0800, Wade Peacock wrote:
the proftpd line happened to be the next line in the log. the
next simular ssh lines looks like (duplicate removed)
Feb 26 10:08:48 mx sshd[22165]: Did not receive identification string from
UNKNOWN
Feb 26 10:09:27 mx sshd[22261]:
If someone wants to do testing, I believe I can fairly easily build a Xen
CentOS domU once I get home (30 mins). Contact me offlist and we'll figure it
out.
--Original Message--
From: gordon b slater
To: wade.peac...@sunwave.net
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
ReplyTo: gordsla...@ieee.org
Subject:
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 13:17 -0600, William Pitcock wrote:
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 11:29 -0700, Brielle Bruns wrote:
Isn't the timestamps inserted by syslog rather then the reporting
program itself?
The syslog message sent to the local unix socket (/dev/log
or /dev/syslog) may contain a
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:51:43 PST, Wade Peacock said:
It is classic syslogd
syslogd -v
syslogd 1.4.1
I was thinking timezone but we are PST (-8:00) so I can not explain the
+12:00 difference.
Feb 26 09:50:38 mx sshd[19102]:
Feb 26 17:50:38 mx sshd[19113]:
That's 8 hours difference,
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 19:30 +, gordon b slater wrote:
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 13:17 -0600, William Pitcock wrote:
The syslog message sent to the local unix socket (/dev/log
or /dev/syslog) may contain a timestamp, in which case, that timestamp
may be used instead of the local time. As
On 2/26/2010 11:46, William Pitcock wrote:
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 19:30 +, gordon b slater wrote:
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 13:17 -0600, William Pitcock wrote:
The syslog message sent to the local unix socket (/dev/log
or /dev/syslog) may contain a timestamp, in which case, that timestamp
may
It might be prudent to mention that all of the connections of this type are
null routed via an iptables drop rule after three failed attempts via a home
grown daemon similar to DENYHOSTS. All traffic from host is DENIED for 120 days
unless we manually over ride it.
I do appreciate the
That does make sense. I will try to simulate that with a temporary
virtual machine as a different timezone.
Wade
aha! there you go, mine doesn't but maybe yours does?
The specification for the syslog protocol is that timestamps embedded in
the message should be used instead of syslogd's time.
http://www.ispa.org.za/press-release/ispa-calls-on-icasa-to-make-a-firm-commitment-to-llu
Those are all _extremely_ out dated references.
i am used to dealing with time zones, even the international date line.
but i am having a really hard time considering 2010-02-23 as extremely
out of date.
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, David Conrad wrote:
non-biased way). There are a couple of papers put out by the ITU (or
perhaps more accurately, ITU-funded folks) that discuss this. If anyone
cares, I can dig them up.
Some googling for 'itu ipv6' turns up the following (among other things):
Daniel Senie d...@senie.com wrote:
Better than western Massachusetts, where there's just no connectivity at =
all. Even dialup fails to function over crappy lines.
Hmm. Although I've never been to Western MA and hence have no idea what
the telecom situation is like over there, I'm certainly
Get dry loops from the ILEC and place repeaters at strategic points?
On 2/26/10, Michael Sokolov msoko...@ivan.harhan.org wrote:
Daniel Senie d...@senie.com wrote:
Better than western Massachusetts, where there's just no connectivity at =
all. Even dialup fails to function over crappy lines.
The Massachusetts Broadband Institute is currently working a middle mile
solution to help with some of the issues in western ma. Thing do sound
promising.
On 2/26/10 4:34 PM, Michael Sokolov wrote:
Daniel Senied...@senie.com wrote:
Better than western Massachusetts, where there's just
From what I've read, they may well get higher bandwidth out to the town centers
on fiber. There has been little discussion of how to distribute from there. I
suppose Verizon, the only company offering anything out there, will take
advantage and use the fiber to improve speeds in the centers of
On 26/02/2010 21:13, Antonio Querubin wrote:
Some googling for 'itu ipv6' turns up the following (among other things):
http://www.itu.int/net/ITU-T/ipv6/itudocs.aspx
Wow, there are some real classics in there. Anyone in need of a good
end-of-week belly laugh should take a look at Delayed
BGP Update Report
Interval: 18-Feb-10 -to- 25-Feb-10 (7 days)
Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072
TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS
Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name
1 - AS31055 19341 1.8%6447.0 -- CONSULTIX-AS Consultix GmbH
2 - AS45983 11585
Some googling for 'itu ipv6' turns up the following (among other things):
http://www.itu.int/net/ITU-T/ipv6/itudocs.aspx
yeah, yeah, ITU still making noise with the Y Series docs and NGN
(Next Generation Networks) framework.
Jeluuu ITU, kind of you are 25+ years late ...
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The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.
Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report.
Recent Table History
Date
I am in planning states for a new metro ethernet service here in the
springfield area. that will slowly extend to the town as I can get there.
On 2/26/10 4:45 PM, Daniel Senie wrote:
From what I've read, they may well get higher bandwidth out to the town
centers on fiber. There has been
On Feb 26, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
On 26/02/2010 21:13, Antonio Querubin wrote:
Some googling for 'itu ipv6' turns up the following (among other things):
http://www.itu.int/net/ITU-T/ipv6/itudocs.aspx
Wow, there are some real classics in there. Anyone in need of a good
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, Nick Hilliard wrote:
The pitiful level of misunderstanding displayed by the authors of these
documents is frightening.
Indeed. A usern...@domain is as valid a VOIP ID as is a traditional
telephone number. And country coded TLDs can be moved around the net more
easily
Brandon Galbraith brandon.galbra...@gmail.com wrote:
Get dry loops from the ILEC and place repeaters at strategic points?
I guess I need a little more education on how the process of ordering
dry pairs from an ILEC works. I thought it works like this:
1. You have to be colocated in the CO to
The pitiful level of misunderstanding displayed by the authors of these
documents is frightening.
Are the ITU folks planning to manage IPv6 address space allocations
the same way they number their documents (ie no more than 100 docs per
subject on the Y series) ?
;-}
I had good luck getting my dad some form of broadband access in rural
Oregon using a 3g router (Cradlepoint), a Wilson Electronics signal amp
(model 811211), and an outdoor mount high gain antenna. It's not great,
but considering the alternatives (33.6k dialup for $60/mo or satellite
broadband
Maybe I'm dense, but I don't see the problem. One of the great things
about IPv6's address space being mindbogglingly large is that there's
plenty of it to experiment with. If the ITU wants an RIR-sized block
to do RIR-like work, so what? If they wanted a /2 or /4 I'd be
concerned, or if there
As we all know it's expensive building out any landline network. Rural areas
just get over looked.
Check out this tech coming out of Motorola and to a Verizon/ATT tower near you
soon.
100 Mbps possible off cellular signals. Looks like they will throttle it to 20
Mbps and less though.
I think a lot of people often forget that ISPs are actually businesses
trying to turn a profit. At my last job we built out a fiber to the home
ILEC in relatively rural Louisiana. This means that we had quite a number of
customers that didn't meet the density requirements for deployment. Using
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Paul Bosworth pboswo...@gmail.com wrote:
I think a lot of people often forget that ISPs are actually businesses
trying to turn a profit.
There are alternatives though, if the need exists and folks are able:
http://www.rric.net/
--
Brandon Galbraith
Mobile:
Maybe I'm dense, but I don't see the problem.
It breaks the existing regional allocation and policy development
process model establishing a second source that will probably not just
want to allocate but also develop a parallel policy that will most
probably not be consistent or compatible with
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:43:11 -0800
David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote:
On Feb 26, 2010, at 10:22 AM, gordon b slater wrote:
I must admit to total confusion over why they need to grab IPs
from the v6 address space? Surely they don't need the equivalent of
band-plans for IP space? Or
Syria wants to roll the clock back.
Not only Syria, some developed countries want to have 100% control of
the big switch to turn the net off/on, if possible on a packet by
packet basis.
PTT = Prehistoric Telecommunications Technologies ...
IMHO the most important driving factor behind all
Brandon Galbraith brandon.galbra...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.rric.net/
I'm very familiar with those folks of course, they've been an inspiration
to me for a long time.
However, my needs are different. RRIC's model basically involves a
specific community with a well-defined boundary: bring
Hopefully someone will bother to cover the rural areas with cell service
eventually.
Much of western Massachusetts (by which I mean the Berkshires, more than I mean
the Pioneer Valley) is not covered by cell service. Where there is cell
service, most cell sites have only minimal data speeds.
Does anyone have any experiences with Revelation Networks? They're
AS26821, and I'm looking for good or bad experiences with their
services. Prefer an off-list reply.
Thanks
On 26/02/2010 22:13, David Conrad wrote:
If you want to be really frightened, remember that the IPv4 free pool
is going to be exhausted in something like 576 days. Given the lack
of IPv6 deployment, the subsequent food fights that erupt as markets
in IPv4 addresses are established are likely
On Feb 26, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
On 26/02/2010 21:13, Antonio Querubin wrote:
Some googling for 'itu ipv6' turns up the following (among other things):
http://www.itu.int/net/ITU-T/ipv6/itudocs.aspx
Wow, there are some real classics in there. Anyone in need of a good
On Feb 26, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
I think that PTT is the operative token here, but for reasons having
nothing to do with competition. If all they wanted was competition,
the easy answer would be to set up more registries -- or registrars
-- not bounded by geography;
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 18:10 -0500, Paul Bosworth wrote:
I think a lot of people often forget that ISPs are actually businesses
trying to turn a profit.
That sums it up pretty well. In a previous life I operated an ISP in a
small town. When I entered the arena there was one other competitor,
[ This discussion really should be on spam-l, not nanog. ]
I'm not affiliated with Spamcop, however, it's well-known among
those of us who work in this area that (a) Facebook has been spamming
for quite some time and (b) they're not the only social network
that's doing so. So it's not especially
Nick Hilliard (nick) writes:
And the politicians. Yes, they will erupt in hitherto unseen
outbursts of self-righteous indignation at the stupid internet
engineers who let this problem happen in the first place and who
made no provision whatsoever for viable alternatives,
Um, not to
There's more to it than just that Facebook themselves occasionally fit
the profile of a spammer, and so some of the more stringent networks may
filter mail from them.
Facebook is a major source of drive-by malware, and some of the apps on
Facebook tread close to the spyware/adware/parasite line
There is much political froth being stirred up here.
I don't see what the big deal is. It was patently unfair not to give
every country a one-digit country code like the US and Russia have.
So they don't want to make the same mistake with IPv6.
R's,
John
I'm going to be in Tampa for two weeks turning up a 4G data center.
Any recommendations on good hotels that allow smoking?
--
Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474
tripadvisor.com probably has a lot of hotel reviews for you. carrier
hotels that allow smoking (!) might be more on topic on nanog i guess?
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Joe Hamelin j...@nethead.com wrote:
I'm going to be in Tampa for two weeks turning up a 4G data center.
Any
Is anyone else seeing some serious Packet Loss from New York/Washington area
within Level3's network tonight? I'm seeing around 5% packet loss..
-S
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:04:12 +0800
From: Phil Regnauld regna...@nsrc.org
Nick Hilliard (nick) writes:
And the politicians. Yes, they will erupt in hitherto unseen
outbursts of self-righteous indignation at the stupid internet
engineers who let this problem happen in the first
Gettingreports of loss of connectivity to parts of chile
They had an 8.5 a short while ago.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 22:20 -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote:
Let's face reality. We have met the enemy and he is us. (Apologies to
Walt Kelly.) We, the network engineers simply kept ignoring IPv6 for
years after it was available. Almost all operating systems have been
IPv6 capable for at least five
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