Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

* Justin M. Streiner (strei...@cluebyfour.org) wrote: > On Wed, 24 Apr 2013, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > >http://www22.verizon.com/Support/Residential/Internet/HighSpeed/General+Support/Top+Questions/QuestionsOne/ATLAS8742.htm > > One minor typo in this one, that I've emailed Verizon's webmasters >

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On 04/24/2013 05:34 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: On 04/24/2013 03:26 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: Frankly, the ISPs likely to be tracking this list aren't the people holding back there. To pick on one that is fairly public, Verizon Wirelin

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > On 04/24/2013 03:26 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >> >> Frankly, the ISPs likely to be tracking this list aren't the people holding >> back there. To pick on one that is fairly public, Verizon Wireline is >> running dual stack for at least

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On 04/24/2013 03:26 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: Frankly, the ISPs likely to be tracking this list aren't the people holding back there. To pick on one that is fairly public, Verizon Wireline is running dual stack for at least its FIOS customers, and also deploying CGN, and being pretty up fr

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: http://www22.verizon.com/Support/Residential/Internet/HighSpeed/General+Support/Top+Questions/QuestionsOne/ATLAS8742.htm One minor typo in this one, that I've emailed Verizon's webmasters about in the past. A /56 does not give you 56 LANs... jm

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

I guess my question is what the difference is between the sharp-demand curve (Tony's latest, which perhaps mirrors APNIC's final few months of IPv4) and the straight-line curve. My read is that we're arguing about the difference between "late 2013" and "some time in 2014". I suspect that what mo

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

Le 24/04/2013 21:35, Lee Howard a écrit : > > On 4/24/13 2:45 PM, "ML" wrote: > >> On 4/23/2013 5:41 PM, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: >>> I didn't see any mention of this Tony Hain paper: >>> >>> http://tndh.net/~tony/ietf/ARIN-runout-projection.pdf >>> >>> tl;dr: ARIN predicted to run out of IP space

RE: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

Lee Howard wrote: > On 4/23/13 7:44 PM, "Geoff Huston" wrote: > > >On 24/04/2013, at 8:10 AM, Andrew Latham wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Valdis Kletnieks > >> wrote: > >>> I didn't see any mention of this Tony Hain paper: > >>> > >>> http://tndh.net/~tony/ietf/ARIN-runout-pr

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

>I don't imagine they will be open to paying extortion prices for IPs >that other people never bothered to use. You know, sometimes life is just unfair. If they need the space, they'll have to figure out how to buy it.

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On 4/24/13 2:45 PM, "ML" wrote: >On 4/23/2013 5:41 PM, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: >> I didn't see any mention of this Tony Hain paper: >> >> http://tndh.net/~tony/ietf/ARIN-runout-projection.pdf >> >> tl;dr: ARIN predicted to run out of IP space to allocate in August this >>year. >> >> Are you rea

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On Apr 24, 2013, at 2:45 PM, ML wrote: > On 4/23/2013 5:41 PM, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: >> I didn't see any mention of this Tony Hain paper: >> >> http://tndh.net/~tony/ietf/ARIN-runout-projection.pdf >> >> tl;dr: ARIN predicted to run out of IP space to allocate in August this year. >> >> Are

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On 4/23/2013 5:41 PM, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: > I didn't see any mention of this Tony Hain paper: > > http://tndh.net/~tony/ietf/ARIN-runout-projection.pdf > > tl;dr: ARIN predicted to run out of IP space to allocate in August this year. > > Are you ready? > Where do the startup ISPs whom didn't

Re: UN Secretariat building in nyc

:) long story short-- we've got a customer ptp ds3 in there now that we're attempting to relocate but it's become a cluster. really willing to look at just about anything now that can happen quickly-- including plain old ip at the UN building. thanks chris On Apr 24, 2013, at 1:58 PM, vald

Re: UN Secretariat building in nyc

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 20:13:20 -0400, Chris McDonald said: > Does anyone have a creative (read - fast) way of getting from the mmr there > to 60 Hudson ? Taxi? :) Would help if you told us what exactly you were trying to get from point A to point B, and in what quantities. What will work well for

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

Black market is probably not the best phrase for the sources I have dug up today but here goes. Market Places http://addrex.net/ http://www.hilcostreambank.com/IPv4.asp http://www.kalorama.com/en/IPv4-IPv6-Advisory/IPv4-Acquisition-and-Divestiture/ News http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/04141

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Andrew Latham wrote: > FYI, What can ARIN, RIPE et al do to reclaim > http://www.spamhaus.org/drop/drop.txt networks? > nothing since they don't control routability of the prefixes in question?

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

FYI, What can ARIN, RIPE et al do to reclaim http://www.spamhaus.org/drop/drop.txt networks? -- ~ Andrew "lathama" Latham lath...@gmail.com http://lathama.net ~

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

*Tore > That said - such speculation may well turn out to be correct, of course, > and being involved in the RIPE community I'm genuinely interested in the > topic. Therefore I was hoping you'd point me in the direction of "the > news of blackmarket sales of network allocations in Europe" you >

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

* Andrew Latham > If I can walk around a smallish town and point at 5 businesses like > this its a possible solution. I am not claiming a few /24s will do, I > am claiming that there are many (for larger values of many) companies > like this. There are certainly several thousands or even million

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Andrew Latham wrote: >> A demand curve would show that as prices increase, there is demand for fewer >> IPv4 addresses. And the other side of the coin: where there is demand and excess supply (e.g., allocated but unused addresses), the price increase would create an

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Lee Howard wrote: > > > On 4/24/13 10:18 AM, "Andrew Latham" wrote: > >>* Tore >> >>On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Tore Anderson wrote: >>> * Andrew Latham >>> I have sadly witnessed a growing number of businesses with /24s moving to colocation/aws n

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On 4/24/13 10:18 AM, "Andrew Latham" wrote: >* Tore > >On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Tore Anderson wrote: >> * Andrew Latham >> >>> I have sadly witnessed a growing number of businesses with /24s >>> moving to colocation/aws networks and not giving up their unused >>> network space. I assum

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On 4/23/13 7:44 PM, "Geoff Huston" wrote: >On 24/04/2013, at 8:10 AM, Andrew Latham wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Valdis Kletnieks >> wrote: >>> I didn't see any mention of this Tony Hain paper: >>> >>> http://tndh.net/~tony/ietf/ARIN-runout-projection.pdf >>> >>> ARIN predic

Re: Comcast NOC - issues to/from AS13331 (Seattle)

If you search the nanog archives for Comcast, you'll see a long history of discussions like this one, and the suspected/supposed reasons for their behavior in relation to the rest of the net. -Blake

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

this is still my favorite post on this subject: http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2011-February/031737.html t On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:36 PM, staticsafe wrote: > On 4/23/2013 18:04, Leo Bicknell wrote: > > In a message written on Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 05:41:40PM -0400, > > Valdis Kletn

Re: KVM

> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:40:32 -0400 > From: Jared Mauch > To: shawn wilson > Cc: North American Network Operators Group > Subject: Re: KVM > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 5:36 PM, shawn wilson wrote: > > > I'm looking at an IP-KVM. I don

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On 4/23/2013 18:04, Leo Bicknell wrote: > In a message written on Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 05:41:40PM -0400, > Valdis Kletnieks wrote: >> I didn't see any mention of this Tony Hain paper: >> >> http://tndh.net/~tony/ietf/ARIN-runout-projection.pdf >> >> tl;dr: ARIN predicted to run out of IP space to

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

* Tore On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Tore Anderson wrote: > * Andrew Latham > >> I have sadly witnessed a growing number of businesses with /24s >> moving to colocation/aws networks and not giving up their unused >> network space. I assume this will come into play soon. > > A couple of /24s be

RE: KVM

We have an Adderlink box. It sometime doesnnnt see ey up events. -Original Message- From: Derrick H. [mailto:na...@lacutt.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:02 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: KVM On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 05:36:37PM -0400, shaw

UN Secretariat building in nyc

Hi all: Does anyone have a creative (read - fast) way of getting from the mmr there to 60 Hudson ? TIA, Chris @ PCCW

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Tore Anderson wrote: > * Chris Grundemann > >> Nope, you are correct Geoff. There is a /10 reserved for transition >> technologies (e.g. outside addresses on a CGN) and there is a >> "critical infrastructure" reserve, but no general purpose reserve like >> in RIPE

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

* Chris Grundemann > Nope, you are correct Geoff. There is a /10 reserved for transition > technologies (e.g. outside addresses on a CGN) and there is a > "critical infrastructure" reserve, but no general purpose reserve like > in RIPE and APNIC. One interesting thing is that this is dedicated sp

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

* Mikael Abrahamsson > On Wed, 24 Apr 2013, Tore Anderson wrote: > >>> I have already read the news of blackmarket sales of network >>> allocations in Europe. >> >> Interesting. Do you have a link or some other kind of reference? > >

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Geoff Huston wrote: > But then again APNIC and RIPE NCC both had last /8 policies in place, which > has mitigated some of the impacts of address pool exhaustion. For smaller > actors there is still a source of addresses in these regions, albeit a very > limited

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On 24/04/2013, at 6:55 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > I also find it a bit strange that the runout in APNIC and RIPE was very > different. APNIC address allocation rate accelerated at the end, whereas RIPE > exhaustion date kept creeping forward in time instead of closer in time, > giving me

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:55:51AM +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > I also find it a bit strange that the runout in APNIC and RIPE was very > different. APNIC address allocation rate accelerated at the end, whereas > RIPE exhaustion date kept creeping forward in time instead of closer in > tim

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 06:10:30PM -0400, Andrew Latham wrote: > > tl;dr: ARIN predicted to run out of IP space to allocate in August this > > year. > > > > Are you ready? > > I have sadly witnessed a growing number of businesses with /24s moving > to colocation/aws networks and not giving up th

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013, Geoff Huston wrote: However, personally I find it a little hard to place a high probability on Tony's projected exhaustion date of August this year. I also have to qualify that by noting that while I think that a runout of the remaining 40 M addresses within 4 months is im

Re: KVM

Raritan makes good IP KVM (VGA, USB/PS2). For serial, I would go OpenGear. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 2:36 PM, shawn wilson wrote: > I'm looking at an IP-KVM. I don't need anything high res as I only > need to see Linux consoles, BIOS, and RAID. What I am looking for: > Non-Java client that runs o

UN Secretariat building in nyc

Hi all: Does anyone have a creative (read - fast) way of getting from the mmr there to 60 Hudson ? TIA, Chris @ PCCW

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

Meanwhile, consumer-grade IPv6 still sucks, at "I have to turn off IPv6 to watch YouTube videos" levels of suck...

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On 24/04/2013, at 8:10 AM, Andrew Latham wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Valdis Kletnieks > wrote: >> I didn't see any mention of this Tony Hain paper: >> >> http://tndh.net/~tony/ietf/ARIN-runout-projection.pdf >> >> ARIN predicted to run out of IP space to allocate in August this y

RE: Comcast NOC - issues to/from AS13331 (Seattle)

We have same problem. Cogent noc says use another provider, Comcast will not upgrade unless they pay for the traffic b/c they send more then they take in. I attach Ren Provo for official statement. Vinod > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 22:35:27 -0700 > Subject: Comcast NOC - issues to/from AS13331 (

RE: Ethernet CFM & LMI vs EBGP between PE-CE

Well CFM and Ethernet LMI is great help in L2VPN services to pin point the failed portion of the L2 circuit. For L3VPN services I rather relay on BFD over PE-CE link and BGP PIC Edge in the backbone to achieve fast convergence. adam

RE: Fibre patches in the Downtown Chicago area

Not a supplier but check with Server Central... they are in the Equinix there and have a lot of spare parts to help u out. Vinod > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:02:31 -0500 > Subject: Fibre patches in the Downtown Chicago area > From: cblec...@gmail.com > To: nanog@nanog.org > > Hello NANOG, > Wond

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

Black market sales, handing out /15s to Romanian spammers like candy .. Europe has had a lot of IP allocation fun On Wednesday, April 24, 2013, Andrew Latham wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Valdis Kletnieks > > wrote: > > I didn't see any mention of this Tony Hain paper: > > > > http://

RE: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

I find it more entertaining that I recognized no less than three organizations on that list that we've seen come up a lot recently in our spam scanning systems. > -Original Message- > From: Andrew Latham [mailto:lath...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:11 PM > To: Valdis Kl

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On Apr 23, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: > Are you ready? I think what's very interesting for me is watching the consumer edge getting more IPv6 in north america. It's important for everyone to talk to their vendors (now is a good day to call/write them) about what their IPv6-Onl

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 04/23/2013 02:41 PM, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: | I didn't see any mention of this Tony Hain paper: | | http://tndh.net/~tony/ietf/ARIN-runout-projection.pdf | | tl;dr: ARIN predicted to run out of IP space to allocate in August this year. I haven'

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013, Tore Anderson wrote: I have already read the news of blackmarket sales of network allocations in Europe. Interesting. Do you have a link or some other kind of reference? is a "white market sales" place. Perh

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

* Andrew Latham > I have sadly witnessed a growing number of businesses with /24s > moving to colocation/aws networks and not giving up their unused > network space. I assume this will come into play soon. A couple of /24s being returned wouldn't make a significant difference when it comes to IPv

Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013, Andrew Latham wrote: http://tndh.net/~tony/ietf/ARIN-runout-projection.pdf tl;dr: ARIN predicted to run out of IP space to allocate in August this year. http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/ says April 2014. That page worked well for the RIPE region. I assume this will co

UN Secretariat building in nyc

Hi all: Does anyone have a creative (read - fast) way of getting from the mmr there to 60 Hudson ? TIA, Chris @ PCCW