Re: China Telecom in Hunan office tower fire

I think “the whole building burned” is a bit hyperbolic. Building was covered in the now known to be spectacularly flammable exterior foam insulation panels. Those panels are now largely banned because of several fires. It had intact windows and fire sprinklers when the cladding ignited on

Re: China Telecom in Hunan office tower fire

Statement from China Telecom (translation by Google Translate) "This afternoon, the façade of the Changsha Second Communication Building caught fire, and the fire was extinguished. In order to prevent danger, some equipment in the building has been powered off. At present, fixed-line

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 20

John Curran wrote: > ... the long-term direction is to provide the same services to all > customers under the same agreement and fees – anything else wouldn’t > be equitable. There are many "anything else"s that would indeed be equitable. It is equitable for businesses to sell yesterday's bread

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

Bill – From a great height or distance, your “bottom line” summary of a some form of status quo probably appears accurate. (I am unfortunately much closer and see quite a bit a of detail lost in it; for example, we have been enforcing different community-developed transfer policies that have

Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

* b...@herrin.us (William Herrin) [Fri 16 Sep 2022, 22:58 CEST]: [..] * ARIN will not record a transfer of a legacy resource to another registrant absent ARIN's current approved contracts. RIPE NCC, however, will facilitate this. If you as a legacy resource holder in the RIPE NCC service

Autoresponses from NANOG subscribers

Howdy, Can the nanog list admins do something about whatever list recipient is causing these messages from the Facebook NOC when I post to the list? Thanks, Bill Herrin -- Forwarded message - From: noc Date: Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [External] Normal ARIN

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 12:47 PM John Curran wrote: > Again, to make sure there is 100% clarity: we have consistently ended up > settling with orders > that recognize ARIN’s ability to operate the registry according to the > community-developed > policy, including the application of that policy

Re: China Telecom in Hunan office tower fire

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 8:29 AM Sean Donelan wrote: > The China Telecom office tower fire in Hunan is reportedly out, after > completely burning the entire 200m tower (42-floors). That's quite something:

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

> On 16 Sep 2022, at 3:21 PM, William Herrin wrote: > >> instead consistently end up settling with orders that recognize ARIN’s >> ability to operate the registry according to the community-developed policy > > That's quite an overstatement. As far as I'm aware, with respect to > the legacy

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 12:31 PM Tom Beecher wrote: > I am trying to follow your train of thought here. Are you stating that > it is somehow ARIN's responsibility to force a legal case to a > conclusion solely to settle the question of legacy allocation > rights, a problem which predates ARIN's

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

William- I am trying to follow your train of thought here. Are you stating that it is somehow ARIN's responsibility to force a legal case to a conclusion solely to settle the question of legacy allocation rights, a problem which predates ARIN's existence? Or am I misunderstanding you? On Fri,

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 12:00 PM John Curran wrote: > We’ve actually had the matter before many judges, and have never been ordered > to do > anything other than operate the registry per the number resource policy as > developed by > this community – this has been the consistent outcome

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

On 16 Sep 2022, at 2:53 PM, William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>> wrote: ARIN has its official theories and each of the legacy registrants have theirs. For the past 25 years, ARIN has not elected to challenge the legacy registrants in a manner substantive enough to require the question to be

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 11:21 AM Aaron Wendel wrote: > Is there a formal agreement that says that all legacy resources will > receive free registry services forever and ever or is it just an > informal "That's how it was done"? Hi Aaron, That is a... complicated... topic. To help illuminate it,

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

> On 16 Sep 2022, at 2:21 PM, Aaron Wendel wrote: > > I'm not trying to troll, this is a serious question: > > Is there a formal agreement that says that all legacy resources will receive > free registry services forever and ever or is it just an informal "That's how > it was done”? No

Re: Looking for contact at Fastly

Dear Mark, I’ll follow up off-list. Kind regards, Job On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 at 20:06, Mark Spring wrote: > In short, I am having issues with a couple of our subnets not being able > to traverse a fastly peer which I don't manage, it is upstream from me. I > need to get this resolved as it is

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

I'm not trying to troll, this is a serious question: Is there a formal agreement that says that all legacy resources will receive free registry services forever and ever or is it just an informal "That's how it was done"? Aaron

Looking for contact at Fastly

In short, I am having issues with a couple of our subnets not being able to traverse a fastly peer which I don't manage, it is upstream from me. I need to get this resolved as it is causing issues with a good amount of traffic. I emailed their noc several hours ago with no response yet. Mark

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Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:29 AM John Curran wrote: > > On 16 Sep 2022, at 1:22 PM, William Herrin wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:12 AM John Curran wrote: > >> Note - if the reason that you are paying "significant money” to ARIN is > >> because you have more than one ASN > >> (and

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

> On 16 Sep 2022, at 1:22 PM, William Herrin wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:12 AM John Curran wrote: >> Note - if the reason that you are paying "significant money” to ARIN is >> because you have more than one ASN >> (and therefore are paying $150 per-ASN annual maintenance fee), I

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:12 AM John Curran wrote: > Note - if the reason that you are paying "significant money” to ARIN is > because you have more than one ASN > (and therefore are paying $150 per-ASN annual maintenance fee), I would > suggest you review if you qualify for > a /24 IPv4 block

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

> On 16 Sep 2022, at 12:51 PM, Steve Noble wrote: > > I appreciate your response, I remember all of the discussions around this > change and the positive/negative aspects of it, but it did not correct the > disenfranchisement of ASN only holders who are customer and do have to pay > for

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 9:51 AM Steve Noble wrote: > William Herrin wrote on 9/16/22 9:28 AM: > > Actually, the rules HAVE changed. Under the new fee schedule, every > > payer except AS-only payers are eligible to vote. ARIN still has a lot > > of structural deficiencies but in this particular

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

William Herrin wrote on 9/16/22 9:28 AM: On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 9:09 AM Steve Noble wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2022, 8:55 AM John Curran wrote: It’s an artifact of our formation that we are presently providing services to any customers absent any agreement and while ARIN continues to do so

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

John Curran wrote on 9/16/22 9:30 AM: On 16 Sep 2022, at 12:26 PM, Steve Noble > wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2022, 9:23 AM John Curran > wrote: Steve - If you have IPv4 or IPv6 resources under an RSA/LRSA, then you are an ARIN

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 20

On 16 Sep 2022, at 12:26 PM, Steve Noble mailto:sno...@sonn.com>> wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2022, 9:23 AM John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote: Steve - If you have IPv4 or IPv6 resources under an RSA/LRSA, then you are an ARIN service member. ARIN service members in good standing can

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 20

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 9:09 AM Steve Noble wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022, 8:55 AM John Curran wrote: >> It’s an artifact of our formation that we are presently providing services >> to any customers absent any agreement >> and while ARIN continues to do so (by providing basic services to

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 20

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022, 9:23 AM John Curran wrote: > > On 16 Sep 2022, at 12:09 PM, Steve Noble wrote: > > (This is the direction that the ARIN Board of Trustees has set based on >> community input; I will note that >> the ARIN Board is itself elected by the community and that we have our >>

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 20

Alex - We only provide certification services to resource holders who have a registration services agreement with ARIN. Thanks, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers > On 16 Sep 2022, at 12:21 PM, Alex Band wrote: > > John, > > In the interest

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 20

On 16 Sep 2022, at 12:09 PM, Steve Noble mailto:sno...@sonn.com>> wrote: (This is the direction that the ARIN Board of Trustees has set based on community input; I will note that the ARIN Board is itself elected by the community and that we have our annual election upcoming – Unless the

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 20

John, In the interest of routing security, when you say ‘basic services’ would ARIN consider offering resource holders who did not sign an (L)RSA the ability to run their own RPKI CA, i.e. you offer them a resource certificate and nothing else, much like what NIC.br currently does in Brazil.

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 20

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022, 8:55 AM John Curran wrote: > Tom - > > It’s an artifact of our formation that we are presently providing services > to any customers absent any agreement > and while ARIN continues to do so (by providing basic services to legacy > customers), the long-term direction is > to

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 20

Tom - It’s an artifact of our formation that we are presently providing services to any customers absent any agreement and while ARIN continues to do so (by providing basic services to legacy customers), the long-term direction is to provide the same services to all customers under the same

China Telecom in Hunan office tower fire

The China Telecom office tower fire in Hunan is reportedly out, after completely burning the entire 200m tower (42-floors). China Telecom statement: "By around 4:30 pm today, the fire at our No. 2 Communications Tower in Changsha has been extinguished. No casualties have yet been

RE: [External] Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 Decembe

"Anyway, the risk/reward calculation for NOT signing the LRSA right now is really a no-brainer. It's just unfortunate that means I won't get an early start on RPKI." Excellent 1 line summary! Tom Krenn Network Architect Enterprise Architecture - Information Technology -Original

RE: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 20

Thanks John! I've been working on this with our attorneys for almost a year. I did send over the revisions and it will be good to see what they say. But I'm not sure it will be enough to reduce the perceived risk. Has ARIN considered separating the fee structure and service goals from the drive

Re: iCloud/Apple Mail contact.

On 2022-09-15 14:09:37 -0700, Nathan Anderson wrote: Quite irritating how there is zero public-facing information about this. There is public-facing information: https://developer.apple.com/support/prepare-your-network-for-icloud-private-relay/ Which includes ranges to allowlist, should