Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 5/13/24 05:32, Brandon Martin wrote: I doubt that's changed given my dealings with them since (which have been fine, to be clear), but I can't be 100% sure.  I suspect they did at least turn up a few of them given that they went to the trouble of creating a full-fledged product for it. 

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 5/13/24 04:07, Dave Cohen wrote: My point was that the technology has little to do with the operational success of the service. Spectrum controllers better enabling providers to get out of their own way in selling spectrum did not actually enable the providers* to get out of their own

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Brandon Martin
On 5/12/24 22:11, Dave Cohen wrote: There are some single-market/regional providers that I'm aware of currently offering spectrum, but I believe you'll be hard pressed to find others with national footprints in the US that will. Zayo and Lumen both did a bit of a will they/won't they with it

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Dave Cohen
There are some single-market/regional providers that I'm aware of currently offering spectrum, but I believe you'll be hard pressed to find others with national footprints in the US that will. Zayo and Lumen both did a bit of a will they/won't they with it for a long time, and my understanding is

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Dave Cohen
My point was that the technology has little to do with the operational success of the service. Spectrum controllers better enabling providers to get out of their own way in selling spectrum did not actually enable the providers* to get out of their own way in selling spectrum. It *should* be

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Mike Hammett
"a limited set of providers willing to sell it, if at all." I know of one (Windstream) that offers it on a portion of their footprint. I swore others did, but I couldn't find them. Does anyone know who else in the NANOG area who does this? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 5/13/24 00:11, Dave Cohen wrote: Mark, Many/all of these points are fair. My experience is purely terrestrial and obviously both the capacity and economic calculations are vastly different in those situations, which I should have called out. Actually, terrestrial economics are easier

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Dave Cohen
Mark, Many/all of these points are fair. My experience is purely terrestrial and obviously both the capacity and economic calculations are vastly different in those situations, which I should have called out. However, I don’t think that the optical vendor is really the challenge - I would

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 5/12/24 20:35, Dave Cohen wrote: It’s one of those things that makes a lot more sense on paper than in practice. Not anymore. The majority of SDM subsea cables built with uncompensated fibre are using managed spectrum and spectrum sharing as viable business models for a

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 5/12/24 14:08, Mike Hammett wrote: What are your experiences with alien waves, managed spectrum, spectrum as a service, etc? Your outcomes will vary depending on whether this is deployed for terrestrial or subsea networks. Subsea networks don't typically do alien waves, but rather,

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Dave Cohen
It’s one of those things that makes a lot more sense on paper than in practice. I’ve found it to be operationally difficult from the perspective the provider and the user, primarily but not solely because any “co-managed” system is going to lend itself to finger pointing when issues arise. Even

Re: VDSL >2 Pair Bonding Modems

2024-05-12 Thread Mike Hammett
I have found a modem with Positron that'll do up to 8 pair of bonding. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "nanog" Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 3:09:07

Re: Whitebox Routers Beyond the Datasheet

2024-05-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Some of you have pointed out (onlist and offlist) the importance of the OS to these concerns. Yes, that makes sense. THe Venn Diagram of hardware that can\can't and OSes that can\can't. I'd appreciate some feedback as well on the OS side of things. - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Mike Hammett
What are your experiences with alien waves, managed spectrum, spectrum as a service, etc? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com