Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-13 Thread eric c
12, 2024 at 9:37 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > What are your experiences with alien waves, managed spectrum, spectrum as > a service, etc? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > Midwest-IX > http://www.midwest-ix.com >

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 5/13/24 05:32, Brandon Martin wrote: I doubt that's changed given my dealings with them since (which have been fine, to be clear), but I can't be 100% sure.  I suspect they did at least turn up a few of them given that they went to the trouble of creating a full-fledged product for it. 

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 5/13/24 04:07, Dave Cohen wrote: My point was that the technology has little to do with the operational success of the service. Spectrum controllers better enabling providers to get out of their own way in selling spectrum did not actually enable the providers* to get out of their own

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Brandon Martin
On 5/12/24 22:11, Dave Cohen wrote: There are some single-market/regional providers that I'm aware of currently offering spectrum, but I believe you'll be hard pressed to find others with national footprints in the US that will. Zayo and Lumen both did a bit of a will they/won't they with it

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Dave Cohen
ssage - > From: Mark Tinka > To: Dave Cohen > Cc: nanog@nanog.org, Mike Hammett > Sent: Sun, 12 May 2024 17:34:19 -0500 (CDT) > Subject: Re: Alien Waves > > > > On 5/13/24 00:11, Dave Cohen wrote: > > > Mark, > > > > Many/all of these poi

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Dave Cohen
My point was that the technology has little to do with the operational success of the service. Spectrum controllers better enabling providers to get out of their own way in selling spectrum did not actually enable the providers* to get out of their own way in selling spectrum. It *should* be

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Mark Tinka To: Dave Cohen Cc: nanog@nanog.org, Mike Hammett Sent: Sun, 12 May 2024 17:34:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Alien Waves On 5/13/24 00:11, Dave Cohen wrote: > Mark,

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 5/13/24 00:11, Dave Cohen wrote: Mark, Many/all of these points are fair. My experience is purely terrestrial and obviously both the capacity and economic calculations are vastly different in those situations, which I should have called out. Actually, terrestrial economics are easier

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Dave Cohen
Mark, Many/all of these points are fair. My experience is purely terrestrial and obviously both the capacity and economic calculations are vastly different in those situations, which I should have called out. However, I don’t think that the optical vendor is really the challenge - I would

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 5/12/24 20:35, Dave Cohen wrote: It’s one of those things that makes a lot more sense on paper than in practice. Not anymore. The majority of SDM subsea cables built with uncompensated fibre are using managed spectrum and spectrum sharing as viable business models for a

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 5/12/24 14:08, Mike Hammett wrote: What are your experiences with alien waves, managed spectrum, spectrum as a service, etc? Your outcomes will vary depending on whether this is deployed for terrestrial or subsea networks. Subsea networks don't typically do alien waves, but rather

Re: Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Dave Cohen
of operational success working with them. Dave Cohen craetd...@gmail.com > On May 12, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > What are your experiences with alien waves, managed spectrum, spectrum as a > service, etc? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intellig

Alien Waves

2024-05-12 Thread Mike Hammett
What are your experiences with alien waves, managed spectrum, spectrum as a service, etc? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com

Re: Alien waves

2021-07-22 Thread Rob Evans
Hi, Alien wavelengths is a fairly old concept and more generally just refers to running any wavelength over a DWDM system that isn't generated by that system's own transponders. These days it is more about leasing spectrum (Spectrum as a Service), but that comes in several different flavours.

Re: Alien waves

2021-07-22 Thread Radu-Adrian Feurdean
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021, at 22:44, Saku Ytti wrote: > I'm going to hazard a guess that the exhaustive list is empty. Actually, it's not empty. I know 2 operators in my part of the world that do it in some way or another. > Allowing 3rd parties to launch alien waves to your system put

Re: Alien waves

2021-07-21 Thread Eve Griliches
If your emphasis is on subsea operators, the content providers likely have the most alien wave deployments due to the open cable initiative. With transponders being more plug and play to operate over incumbent subsea line systems, it makes it easier to deploy the latest and greatest hardware;

RE: Alien waves

2021-07-21 Thread Brian Turnbow via NANOG
Hi, Not related to who is using them really but.. The presentation, From Alien Waves to Disaggregated Optical Network by Paolo Boletta from ITNOG3 meeting may be of interest to you. The site contains both the presentation and the ½ hour video. https://www.itnog.it/itnog3/ It covers the use

Re: Alien waves

2021-07-21 Thread Jared Mauch
I looked at this before and go far enough in the conversations with one carrier that had sold this as a product before and had a poor experience with the customers they were no longer offering it. You are likely better off getting a volume deal on waves, which can be had for pretty cheap these

Re: Alien waves

2021-07-21 Thread Brandon Martin
On 7/20/21 4:44 PM, Saku Ytti wrote: I'm going to hazard a guess that the exhaustive list is empty. Allowing 3rd parties to launch alien waves to your system puts your existing waves at the mercy of the 3rd party, power or lack thereof from the alien wave may impact operation of other waves

Re: Alien waves

2021-07-20 Thread Saku Ytti
'm going to hazard a guess that the exhaustive list is empty. Allowing 3rd parties to launch alien waves to your system puts your existing waves at the mercy of the 3rd party, power or lack thereof from the alien wave may impact operation of other waves. -- ++ytti

Alien waves

2021-07-20 Thread Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
Does anyone have a comprehensive (or any) list of carriers doing alien wavelengths? (background: https://thecinict.com/2021/03/05/adding-alien-wavelengths/ https://www.ekinops.com/solutions/optical-transport/alien-wavelength ) Emphasis on subsea operators. —L.B. Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of