On Thu, 24 Mar 2022, Mu wrote:
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While I agree that many consumers don't place much value on their own data,
resulting in them not particularly caring about that data, in my experience it
often stems from ignorance of what can be done with that data (if they even know
that the data is being
yes, because otherwise the contention (it's a shared access media, after
all) and RF channel bonding/allocation wouldn't work. Configuration depends
on what the exact CMTS configuration is on your last mile coax segment.
however it's also possible to have the cable MSO push an update to
t-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
- Original Message -
From: "PJ Capelli via NANOG"
To: "Christian David"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 10:04:56 AM
Subject: Re: ISP data collection from home routers
Most end users (at least in the U
>
> Even if you own your modem, the DOCSIS specs require that it be
> completely controlled by the MSO, right?
>
Pretty sure that's correct, yes.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 4:47 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
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> On 3/24/22 12:53 PM, Tom Beecher wrote:
> > You don't even have to use their equipment.
OG"
To: "Josh Luthman" , "Lady Benjamin Cannon of
Glencoe, ASCE"
Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group"
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: ISP data collection from home routers
> Who cares about the SSID???
I don't remember th
- Original Message -
From: "Giovane C. M. Moura via NANOG"
To: "North American Network Operators' Group"
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 5:43:58 AM
Subject: ISP data collection from home routers
Hello there,
Several years ago, a friend of mine was working for a
On 3/24/22 12:53 PM, Tom Beecher wrote:
You don't even have to use their equipment. My provider at home is
Charter / Spectrum. I own my own cable modem / router ,they have no
equipment in my home. Their privacy policy is pretty standard.
Essentially :
- Anything they can see that I transmit
Not sure why they are different; most ISPs are not a pure play and can use that
data for other aspects of their business that you may not have agreed to (e.g.
Verizon FiOS feeding to Verizon Wireless). Comcast/NBC, etc.
pj capelli
pjcape...@pm.me
No one can build you the bridge on which you,
Most end users (at least in the US) don't have a choice as many jurisdictions
have sold a franchise (monopoly) to one provider. Either they sign or they
don't get internet.
Perhaps 5G will broaden the number of providers end users can choose from, and
not be forced into this kind of contract.
On 2022-03-24 10:04 a.m., Giovane C. M. Moura via NANOG wrote:
They can easily profile you and know when you're at home, and when
you're gone. Some people may find this interesting...
To have a really meaningful discuss on the privacy implications, we
would need to see the data model, and the
You're statement seems to imply that if someone publicizes certain personal
data on Facebook that they shouldn't care about any other data being collected
any other entity, do I have that right?
While I agree that many consumers don't place much value on their own data,
resulting in them not
Hi Giovane
On 24.03.22 11:43, Giovane C. M. Moura via NANOG wrote:
Hello there,
Several years ago, a friend of mine was working for a large telco and
his job was to detect which clients had the worst networking experience.
To do that, the telco had this hadoop cluster, where it collected
I think that if the end user at signed contract agreed with this data
collecting and also if there's a mechanism that the same user could deny
the data collection, its look fine to me, there's compliant here in
Brazil with LGPD (our variant from GDPR) and i think that users could
see it as a
That link is more reflective of the FCC circa 2011. More recent actions taken
by the FCC under Pai had weakened consumer protections for data collected by
ISPs and was reflected in multiple news articles from 2017-2019.
View of traffic into the ISP with Netflow/etc is very different than all on
my lan traffic.
Tr-069 is bad news.
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 15:53 Tom Beecher wrote:
> You don't even have to use their equipment. My provider at home is Charter
> / Spectrum. I own my own cable modem / router ,they
You don't even have to use their equipment. My provider at home is Charter
/ Spectrum. I own my own cable modem / router ,they have no equipment in
my home. Their privacy policy is pretty standard.
Essentially :
- Anything they can see that I transmit they will collect.
- Anything they can see
On 3/24/22 06:26, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'm surprised we're having this discussion about an internet device that
the customer is using to publicize all of their information on Facebook
and Twitter.
That's called informed consent. And Facebook and Twitter use TLS to
protect the data in
> On Mar 24, 2022, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I'm surprised we're having this discussion about an internet device that the
> customer is using to publicize all of their information on Facebook and
> Twitter. Consumers do not care enough about their privacy to the point where
>
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:04 AM Giovane C. M. Moura via NANOG <
nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
>
> > Who cares about the SSID???
>
> I don't remember the data model, but I remember that they retrieved data
> very often, multiple times a minute.
>
>
Please keep in mind that TR-069 (which in all
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 09:26:31AM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
> I'm surprised we're having this discussion about an internet device that
> the customer is using to publicize all of their information on Facebook and
> Twitter. Consumers do not care enough about their privacy to the point
> where
Who cares about the SSID???
I don't remember the data model, but I remember that they retrieved data
very often, multiple times a minute.
(some ppl in the list may have access to this data and know it very well)
They can easily profile you and know when you're at home, and when
you're
Friends only Facebook? Do you think Facebook, the company with the data,
cares if you have a particular flag set???
Who cares about the SSID???
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 9:40 AM Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE <
l...@6by7.net> wrote:
> Without disagreeing that privacy concerns in general
Without disagreeing that privacy concerns in general are rapidly becoming
extinct with generations…
Surely you are not suggesting that my friends-only Facebook profile is somehow
publishing my WiFi SSID?
(For example)
Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom,
I'm surprised we're having this discussion about an internet device that
the customer is using to publicize all of their information on Facebook and
Twitter. Consumers do not care enough about their privacy to the point
where they are providing the information willingly.
>Consumers should have
This is an enormous problem, see:
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2021/10/ftc-staff-report-finds-many-internet-service-providers-collect-troves-personal-data-users-have-few
Consumers should have legal say in how or wether their data are harvested and
also sold.
Ms. Lady
rather than trying to
talk them through how to do it themselves.
-Original Message-
From: NANOG On
Behalf Of Giovane C. M. Moura via NANOG
Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2022 9:44 PM
To: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: ISP data collection from home routers
Hello
Hello there,
Several years ago, a friend of mine was working for a large telco and
his job was to detect which clients had the worst networking experience.
To do that, the telco had this hadoop cluster, where it collected _tons_
of data from home users routers, and his job was to use ML to
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