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Joel Maslak wrote: is not. But there is value in not passing utter garbage to another program (it has a tendency to clog mail queues, if for no other reason) - just make sure you do it right. I fail to see why you wouldn't be able to throttle any abuse of your webform so it wouldn't clog a ma

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On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Joe Greco wrote: >> > box with a semicolon. >> Only if you don't properly quote/escape the arguments you are passing. You're going to run into a big mess when trying to combine the rules for escaping e-mail addresses that contain special characters with the shell

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Steve Bertrand wrote: imo, this discussion of outbound SMTP has been sounding akin to me saying I should let my upstream ensure that all of my BGP announcements are good, instead of filtering my own outbound. > know whether the address is to RFC or not. Less bugs and changes, I feel > it is be

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On 2012-03-13 16:33, Joe Greco wrote: Joe Greco wrote: The ideal world contains a mix of techniques. Yes and copying parts of relevant code of an MTA could be one. May actually be one of the few sane ones. You cannot just blindly leave it to the MTA to decide what's valid. Along that path

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> Joe Greco wrote: > > The ideal world contains a mix of techniques. > > Yes and copying parts of relevant code of an MTA could be one. May actually be one of the few sane ones. > > You cannot just blindly leave it to the MTA to decide what's valid. > > Along that path lies madness. How do you

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I may add that when I reached the point of having my 'AT cagnazzo.name' address rejected by the form, I was already pretty angry because the form had a sign, all written in UPPER CASE LETTERS, saying that the form did not support other browsers than Internet Explorer. :=) C. On 3/12/12 7:43 PM,

Regex validation, was Re: Programmers with network engineering skills

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > Only if you don't properly quote/escape the arguments you are passing. You're using your OS wrong if you are quoting/escaping the arguments. You do not need a shell involved to use fork() + exec() + wait(), as the shell is not involved (assu

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> > The ideal world contains a mix of techniques. > > > > You cannot just blindly leave it to the MTA to decide what's valid. > > Along that path lies madness. How do you pass the address to the MTA? > > Don't do it as a system() call unless you want someone to own your > > box with a semicolon.

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On 13 March 2012 06:50, Jeroen van Aart wrote: > Unless in cases such as Owen mentioned I'd say it's a pretty good > solution. The madness to me lies in making your own email validating code... > > Not forgetting Lett's Law Aled

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Joe Greco wrote: The ideal world contains a mix of techniques. Yes and copying parts of relevant code of an MTA could be one. You cannot just blindly leave it to the MTA to decide what's valid. Along that path lies madness. How do you pass the address to the MTA? Don't do it as a system() ca

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In message <201203130131.q2d1vlxa087...@aurora.sol.net>, Joe Greco writes: > > Owen DeLong wrote: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Valid_email_addresses > > > > > > You may have noticed my particular test wouldn't accept foo!bar!ucbvax!us > er format addresses, either. > > > > >

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On Mar 12, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Mar 12, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Keegan Holley wrote: > >> 2012/3/12 Tei >> >>> On 12 March 2012 09:59, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo >>> wrote: Hey! On 3/8/12 8:24 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Monday, March 05, 2012 09:36:41 PM

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> Owen DeLong wrote: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Valid_email_addresses > > > > You may have noticed my particular test wouldn't accept foo!bar!ucbvax!user > > format addresses, either. > > > > It works well enough for my purposes. I did not claim it was perfect. > > Why not l

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Sometimes you don't want to have your application exposed to an unconstrained wait outside of your control. Sometimes your application may not have access/permissions/etc. to open sockets. (This is actually a common security precaution in some CGI environments). Owen On Mar 12, 2012, at 4:22 P

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Owen DeLong wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Valid_email_addresses You may have noticed my particular test wouldn't accept foo!bar!ucbvax!user format addresses, either. It works well enough for my purposes. I did not claim it was perfect. Why not leave it to the MTA to decid

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I think this proves one thing... Given enough monkeys with typewriters, you will, in fact, not get Shakespeare, but, instead, regular expressions for Shakespeare's email address. Owen On Mar 12, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Paul Graydon wrote: > On 03/12/2012 09:46 AM, Tei wrote: >> On 12 March 2012 09:59

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I don't believe that is true. From RFC-821, it is true that: @ONE, @TWO:JOE@THREE Is supposed to be valid as a forward path, but, not an address. However, I believe its use is effectively, if not actually deprecated at this point. It doesn't really describe address, per se, but, it does defin

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On 03/12/2012 09:46 AM, Tei wrote: On 12 March 2012 09:59, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote: Hey! On 3/8/12 8:24 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: On Monday, March 05, 2012 09:36:41 PM Jimmy Hess wrote: ... (16) The default gateway's IP address is always 192.168.0.1 (17) The user portion of E-mai

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On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > Whenever I've built code to check someone's email address on a form, I always > just looked for the following: > > 1.      matches ^[^@]+@[A-Za-z0-0\-\.]+[A-Za-z]$ > 2.      The component to the right of the @ sign returns at least one A, > A

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On 03/12/2012 02:32 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: Whenever I've built code to check someone's email address on a form, I always just looked for the following: 1. matches ^[^@]+@[A-Za-z0-0\-\.]+[A-Za-z]$ 2. The component to the right of the @ sign returns at least one A, , or MX record. If it passed t

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On Mar 12, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Keegan Holley wrote: > 2012/3/12 Tei > >> On 12 March 2012 09:59, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo >> wrote: >>> Hey! >>> >>> On 3/8/12 8:24 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: On Monday, March 05, 2012 09:36:41 PM Jimmy Hess wrote: ... > (16) The default gateway's IP

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2012/3/12 Tei > On 12 March 2012 09:59, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo > wrote: > > Hey! > > > > On 3/8/12 8:24 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: > >> On Monday, March 05, 2012 09:36:41 PM Jimmy Hess wrote: > >> ... > >>>(16) The default gateway's IP address is always 192.168.0.1 > >>>(17) The user porti

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On 12 March 2012 09:59, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote: > Hey! > > On 3/8/12 8:24 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: >> On Monday, March 05, 2012 09:36:41 PM Jimmy Hess wrote: >> ... >>>    (16)  The default gateway's IP address is always 192.168.0.1 >>>    (17) The user portion of E-mail addresses never conta

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Hey! On 3/8/12 8:24 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Monday, March 05, 2012 09:36:41 PM Jimmy Hess wrote: > ... >>(16) The default gateway's IP address is always 192.168.0.1 >>(17) The user portion of E-mail addresses never contain special >> characters like "-" "+" "$" "~" "." ",", "[",

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On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: > (18) No, our control protocol doesn't have authentication, > it's up to the network to keep undesired users out. (I won't > say what this software is, but suffice to say the package > in which it was a part cost over $250,000). Ten years ago the

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On Monday, March 05, 2012 09:36:41 PM Jimmy Hess wrote: > > Other common, but misguided assumptions (even in 2012): > > 1. You will be using IPv4. We have no idea what this IPv6 nonsense is. > > Looks complicated and scary. > > 2. 255.255.255.0 is the only valid netmask. ... >(16) The default

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On 27 February 2012 23:23, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Owen DeLong" > >> I think you're more likely to find a network engineer with (possibly >> limited) programming skills. >> >> That's certainly where I would categorize myself. > > And you're the first I've seen

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Jimmy Hess wrote: (15) 30 seconds per resolver seems like a good timeout for DNS queries, so no need for a configurable timeout; just try each server sequentially, make the UI hang, Of course you HAVE to use "busy waiting" in order to be able to quickly act upon the query

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nt groups today from an operational standpoint. NetEng deals with tcp/ip(without having a clue as to how apps interact with tcp/ip (generally speaking!!) and the opposite applies to SysEng(once again, generally speaking!) So, programmers with network engineering skills and vise-versa are a ra

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In message , Jimmy Hess writes: > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Justin M. Streiner > wrote: > > > Admittedly we (the 'network guys') don't always make it easy for them. RF= > Cs > > get obsoleted by newer RFCs, but the newer RFCs might still reference ite= > ms > > from the original RFC, etc.

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About (5 thru 6) Hard to keep a straight face in front of a customer when, after assigning him a IP in our 192.172.250.0 range... ... He ask why are we NATing using private IP's. We also had plenty of experience with ppl getting confused about 16, 17. Your could add L2

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On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > Admittedly we (the 'network guys') don't always make it easy for them. RFCs > get obsoleted by newer RFCs, but the newer RFCs might still reference items > from the original RFC, etc.  This can turn into developing for something Yes, th

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On Mon, 5 Mar 2012, Owen DeLong wrote: However, the bigger problem (from my experience-driven POV) is that it is not so intuitively obvious that developing a network-based product using a team consisting entirely of developers who view the network as an unnecessarily complicated serial port (wh

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On 03/05/2012 03:46 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: However, the bigger problem (from my experience-driven POV) is that it is not so intuitively obvious that developing a network-based product using a team consisting entirely of developers who view the network as an unnecessarily complicated serial por

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On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > However, the bigger problem (from my experience-driven >POV) is that it is not so intuitively obvious that developing >a network-based product using a team consisting entirely >of developers who view the network as an unnecessarily >complicated

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On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Scott Helms wrote: > Owen, > >I'd say that everyone's PoV on this is going to be experience driven. > I've seen both approaches work (and both fail) and IMO the determining factor > was matching the "right" approach with the project. I don't believe that you

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Owen, I'd say that everyone's PoV on this is going to be experience driven. I've seen both approaches work (and both fail) and IMO the determining factor was matching the "right" approach with the project. I don't believe that you can develop a large scale project (large scale being a t

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2012/3/5 Owen DeLong > Given my experience to date with the assumptions made by programers about > networking in the following: > >Apps (iOS apps, Droid apps, etc.) >Consumer Electronics >Microcontrollers >Home Routers > > I have to say that the strategy being used

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2012/3/2 Randy Bush > >>> In my experience the path of least resistance is to get a junior > >>> network engineer and mentor he/she into improving his/hers programming > >>> skills than go the other way around. > >> > >> and then the organization pays forever to maintain the crap code while > >>

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Given my experience to date with the assumptions made by programers about networking in the following: Apps (iOS apps, Droid apps, etc.) Consumer Electronics Microcontrollers Home Routers I have to say that the strategy being used to date, whichever one it is, is

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Scott, I fully agree with you. In fact, I was just commenting on *my* experiences and never implied that they would / should apply the same for everyone. cheers! Carlos On 3/5/12 3:53 PM, Scott Helms wrote: > I've played on both sides of the fence of this one, but I think the > key piece is that

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I've played on both sides of the fence of this one, but I think the key piece is that you have to get enough software engineering for your tool to fit the life cycle it needs to follow and enough domain specific knowledge to for the tool to do what it exists to do. If you lack *either* of thos

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Never said it was *perfect*. But you probably haven't a good (in CV terms at least) prorgrammer assigned to you but didn't know the difference between a TCP port and an IP protocol number. Or the difference between an Ethernet and an IP address. For me at least (and I grant you that everyone's mil

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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Jared Newell wrote: I think the difference is that network engineers typically find themselves wanting to learn some form of programming to automate routine tasks while doing their job as a network engineer. They've actually managed to be interested in programming while p

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>>> In my experience the path of least resistance is to get a junior >>> network engineer and mentor he/she into improving his/hers programming >>> skills than go the other way around. >> >> and then the organization pays forever to maintain the crap code while >> the kiddie learned to program. ri

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2012/3/2 Randy Bush > > In my experience the path of least resistance is to get a junior > > network engineer and mentor he/she into improving his/hers programming > > skills than go the other way around. > > and then the organization pays forever to maintain the crap code while > the kiddie lear

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> In my experience the path of least resistance is to get a junior > network engineer and mentor he/she into improving his/hers programming > skills than go the other way around. and then the organization pays forever to maintain the crap code while the kiddie learned to program. right. brillian

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> In my experience the path of least resistance is to get a junior network > engineer and ... agree, where the end goal is to increment the facility's scripting capable administrators. been there, done that. disagree, where the end goal is to create a coherent distributed system with a non-trivia

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>> Is clearance the problem, or the ability to obtain clearance due to >> something in their background?  If your work requires it, you should have >> some recourse for applicants to obtain the required clearance, no? > > My understanding is that while primary and subcontractor companies can > put

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> > That sparked my interest. Did I miss something? One can lie about > TS/CSI clearance and be believed as long as one can fool a lie > detector? How safe is that? That strikes me as a bit odd. > Yeah, you missed something. TS/SCI w/polygraph means that you underwent a Special Background Inve

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Jamie Bowden wrote: Hey now...the time from zero to TS/SCI has gone from over half a decade to a mere quarter decade. You can totally pay these guys to sit around doing drudge work while their skills atrophy in the interim. Of course, if you need a poly on top, add some more time and stir co

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John Mitchell wrote: I would wholeheartedly agree with this, but I believe its worse than teaching process is one of learning to program like a monkey, monkey see monkey do. People are no longer taught to think for themselves, but instead taught to program in a specific language (PHP, Java

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On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Monday, February 27, 2012 07:53:07 PM William Herrin wrote: >> .../SCI clearance. >> >> The clearance is killing me. The two generalists didn't have a >> clearance and the cleared applicants are programmers or admins but >> never both. > > I

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On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 09:03:33 AM John Mitchell wrote: > One of the tests I give all interviewees is write a very short program > in a language they have never ever used before I typically recommend either Intercal, or one of various assembler languages that are out of date (well, not r

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On Monday, February 27, 2012 05:14:00 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > Who is a strong network engineer > Who has been a professional software engineer (though many years ago and my > skills are rusty > and out of date) Owen, you nailed it here. Even the ACM recognizes that a 'Software Engineer' a

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Mike Hale wrote: If you're located in a major city, I'm sure you can find a community college that has a networking certificate program you can send your developer to, along with an in-house training program. Oh come on!!!1 Investing in your employee by sending them out to courses, for crying

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On Monday, February 27, 2012 07:53:07 PM William Herrin wrote: > .../SCI clearance. > > The clearance is killing me. The two generalists didn't have a > clearance and the cleared applicants are programmers or admins but > never both. I just about spewed my chai tea seeing 'SCI' and 'generalist' i

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t; A+ networking course. >> >> No, I do not sell the courses. But I have seen this kind of approach >> work when nothing else was. >> >> >> >> >> Ralph Brandt >> Communications Engineer >> HP Enterprise Services >> Te

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> -Original Message- > From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:14 PM > To: david raistrick > Cc: Brandt, Ralph; NANOG > Subject: Re: Programmers with network engineering skills > > > On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:31 PM, david raist

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William Herrin [mailto:b...@herrin.us] > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Brandt, Ralph wrote: > >> Generalists are hard to come by these days. > > > > I think you're more likely to find a network engineer with (possibly > limited) > > programm

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The right tool for the right job. PHP (and the LAMP stack) can result in very quick development of systems that will run on any vanilla Linux server. In my experience, that has turned out to be a huge benefit. If you have a developer who knows C well, then they will more than likely be able to u

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t; > -Original Message- > From: A. Pishdadi [mailto:apishd...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:27 PM > To: NANOG > Subject: Programmers with network engineering skills > > Hello All, > > i have been looking for quite some time now a descent coder (c,php) who

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> > > -Original Message- > From: Rodrick Brown [mailto:rodrick.br...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:13 PM > To: A. Pishdadi > Cc: NANOG > Subject: Re: Programmers with network engineering skills > > On Feb 26, 2012, at 8:27 PM, "A. Pish

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Rodrick, give me the name of one of those firms. :) Ralph Brandt -Original Message- From: Rodrick Brown [mailto:rodrick.br...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:13 PM To: A. Pishdadi Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Programmers with network engineering skills On Feb 26, 2012, at 8

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> Noon Silk said: > > Just a practical comment here; part of your problem may be offering c > and php together. I don't want to start a war, but I know that at the > very least all the c programmers I know would considered php to be ... > "horribly offensive". So, maybe seperating out these two rol

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On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:27 PM, A. Pishdadi wrote: > Hello All, > > i have been looking for quite some time now a descent coder (c,php) who has Just a practical comment here; part of your problem may be offering c and php together. I don't want to start a war, but I know that at the very least

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Bush Cc: Holmes,David A; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: Programmers with network engineering skills > a real programmer can be productive in networking tools in a matter of a > month or two. i have seen it multiple times. > > a networker can become a useful re

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> a real programmer can be productive in networking tools in a matter of a > month or two. i have seen it multiple times. > > a networker can become a useful real progammer in a year or three. Thank you! I always wonder when someone distinguishes between a networker and a programmer as if they

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il at some point, but if the subject of coding comes up, many will move on. -Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:23 PM To: Holmes,David A Cc: North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: Programmers with network engineer

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On 02/27/2012 06:23 PM, Randy Bush wrote: programming is not being able to write a hundred lines of unreadable perl. a real programmer can be productive in networking tools in a matter of a month or two. i have seen it multiple times. a networker can become a useful real progammer in a year or

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programming is not being able to write a hundred lines of unreadable perl. a real programmer can be productive in networking tools in a matter of a month or two. i have seen it multiple times. a networker can become a useful real progammer in a year or three. randy

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p the subject of coding? I think this describes the great majority of networking professionals. -Original Message- From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:14 PM To: david raistrick Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Programmers with network engineering skills On F

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s much easier than a developer that wants to learn improve their networking skills beyond plugging a router into their home network. -Jared -Original Message- From: Doug Barton [mailto:do...@dougbarton.us] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:31 PM To: Jay Ashworth Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: P

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On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Jason Bertoch wrote: > On 2/27/2012 7:53 PM, William Herrin wrote: >>> >>> I think you're more likely to find a network engineer with (possibly >>> limited) >>> >  programming skills. >> >> I wish. For the past three months I've been trying to find a network >> eng

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On 2/27/2012 7:53 PM, William Herrin wrote: I think you're more likely to find a network engineer with (possibly limited) > programming skills. I wish. For the past three months I've been trying to find a network engineer with a deep TCP/IP protocol understanding, network security expertise, so

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On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:53 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Brandt, Ralph wrote: >>> Generalists are hard to come by these days. >> >> I think you're more likely to find a network engineer with (possibly limited) >>

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On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Brandt, Ralph wrote: >> Generalists are hard to come by these days. > > I think you're more likely to find a network engineer with (possibly limited) > programming skills. I wish. For the past three months I've be

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On Feb 26, 2012, at 8:27 PM, "A. Pishdadi" wrote: > Hello All, > > i have been looking for quite some time now a descent coder (c,php) who has > a descent amount of system admin / netadmin experience. Doesn't necessarily > need to be an expert at network engineering but being acclimated in > und

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On 2/27/2012 2:31 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > then sure, network guy -> "coder" is usually a safe and easy path. Sorry, looking at this again it reads a lot more derogatory on paper than I meant it to. There is a lot of value in being able to automate repetitive tasks ... my point was simply that doi

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Le lundi 27 février 2012 à 14:14 -0800, Owen DeLong a écrit : > On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:31 PM, david raistrick wrote: > > > On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > >> I think you're more likely to find a network engineer with (possibly > >> limited) > >> programming skills. > > > > While I

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On 2/27/2012 2:23 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Owen DeLong" > >> I think you're more likely to find a network engineer with (possibly >> limited) programming skills. >> >> That's certainly where I would categorize myself. > > And you're the first I've seen sug

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- Original Message - > From: "Owen DeLong" > I think you're more likely to find a network engineer with (possibly > limited) programming skills. > > That's certainly where I would categorize myself. And you're the first I've seen suggest, or even imply, that going that direction instead

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On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:31 PM, david raistrick wrote: > On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> I think you're more likely to find a network engineer with (possibly limited) >> programming skills. > > While I'll agree about the more likely, if I needed a coder who had a firm > grasp of net

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: Programmers with network engineering skills Hello All, i have been looking for quite some time now a descent coder (c,php) who has a descent amount of system admin / netadmin experience. Doesn't necessarily need to be an expert at network engineering but being acclimated in understanding the

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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Owen DeLong wrote: I think you're more likely to find a network engineer with (possibly limited) programming skills. While I'll agree about the more likely, if I needed a coder who had a firm grasp of networking I'd rather teach a good coder networking, than try to teach

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Pishdadi [mailto:apishd...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:27 PM > To: NANOG > Subject: Programmers with network engineering skills > > Hello All, > > i have been looking for quite some time now a descent coder (c,php) who > has > a descent amount of syste

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: Programmers with network engineering skills Hello All, i have been looking for quite some time now a descent coder (c,php) who has a descent amount of system admin / netadmin experience. Doesn't necessarily need to be an expert at network engineering but being acclimated in understanding the

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On 27/02/2012 15:34, Mike Hale wrote: Isn't this what the entire DevOps movement is kinda trying to push? Wow, thanks, I ignored about the DevOps, that's exactly how I would define myself. Is there a particular website where DevOps are supposed to post their resume or find job offers?

Re: Programmers with network engineering skills

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Mike Hale wrote: > Isn't this what the entire DevOps movement is kinda trying to push? > as to devops... this was funny: -chris

Re: Programmers with network engineering skills

Isn't this what the entire DevOps movement is kinda trying to push? I see quite a few of these gigs pop up on Craigslist. If you've already invested some time in the search, perhaps it'd be better to hire someone good with C/PHP and train them in the art of networking. If you're located in a maj

Programmers with network engineering skills

Hello All, i have been looking for quite some time now a descent coder (c,php) who has a descent amount of system admin / netadmin experience. Doesn't necessarily need to be an expert at network engineering but being acclimated in understanding the basic fundamentals of networking. Understanding b